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The other problem I see is that there's no modifier here for "actually being correct". If person A presents a correct mathematical proof for X, and person B presents a mathematical proof for not X that is actually false, do they both get 20 points? 

If you check the proofs yourself and you can see that one is obviously wrong and the other is not obviously (to you) wrong then you only give the not-obviously-wrong one 20 points. If you can't tell which is wrong then they cancel out. If a professor then comes along and says "that proof is wrong, because [... (read more)

Thank you for explaining the "Big borderless workspace" concept. This is the first time I have seen a reasonable-looking argument in favour of company policies restricting employees' actions outside work, something which I had previously seen as a pure cultural-imperialist power grab by oppressive bosses.

A lot of work does go into it, but the users will mostly ignore that work and continue using "[Dog's name] + [Wife's birthday]" as a password (and that's if you're lucky).

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Kinoshita Yoshikazu (pseudonym)
1y
This is true, I do wonder what could be done to get around the fact that we really can't handle remembering complex passwords (without using some memory aid that could be compromised).  Biometrics makes sense for worker/admin access, but I'm not sure about the merits of deploying it en masse to the users of a service.  Despite all the controversies surrounding that (in?)famous XKCD comic, I would still agree with Randall that passphrases (I'm guilty of using them) are okay if we make them long enough. And the memory aids that one might need for pass phrases are probably less easy to compromise (e.g.  I imagine it's not too hard for an average human to handle a few pass phrases of 10 words each, so maybe bumping "allowed password length" from 16-30 characters to 100 would solve some problems for security-minded users.  Another tool I imagine might be good is allowing unicode characters in passwords, maybe mixing Chinese into passwords could let us have "memorable" high entropy passwords.

I don't understand. Who is the victim that I am blaming here? I was trying to support FLI by pointing out that, in my experience, when I hear an organisation described as "far-right", that tells me very little except that it is probably not openly and explicitly Marxist. Perhaps Nya Dagbladet is one of the rare exceptions who actually deserve the label - I don't know, I never heard of them before this controversy. But I definitely sympathise with FLI's not immediately giving 100% credence to the accusations.

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ElliotJDavies
1y
I mean victim blaming in a sort of conceptual way. I guess the "victims" in this case would be potential targets of the far-right, who would correctly describe Nya DagBladet as far-right. They might be disappointed if they are told they actually caused this problem, because the term is used to often.  This might be particular upsetting, if someone has been the target of harassment or violence from someone on the far-right. 

The quality of public discourse worldwide has degraded so badly, with casual name-calling using highly charged labels, that many of these types of accusations are open to question upon examination.

That is definitely my reaction to any story with "Far-Right" in the headline.

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ElliotJDavies
1y

If SBF committed fraud, there’s a distinct possibility that SBF will use altruism as a defence and/or justification for his actions in the coming months.

Sadly, I think his having been the second largest donor to the Biden 2020 campaign fund will be a more effective defence. It certainly worked for the people who lost hundreds of billions of Other People's Money in 2008.

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Max Clarke
1y
seems he has ended up giving more to the democratic party than ea lol

If you have a software engineering background but no particular expertise in biology or information security, then I would suggest trying to find some existing open-source software project which is helpful to biosecurity work and then help to make it more robust and user-friendly. I haven't worked in biosecurity myself, but I can tell you from experience in other areas of biology that there are many software packages written by scientists with no training in how to write robust and usable software, and so there is a lot of low-hanging fruit for someone who can configure automatic testing, use a debugger or profiler, or add a GUI or web front end.
 

Much of the work in biosecurity is related to handling and processing large amounts of data, so knowledge of how to work with distributed systems is in demand.

Nowadays the amounts have to be extremely large before it is worth the effort of setting up a distributed system. You can fit 1 TB of RAM and several hundred TB of disk space in a commodity 4U server at a price equivalent to a couple of weeks of salary + overhead for someone with the skills to set up a high performance cluster, port your software to work on it, or debug the mysterious errors.

I don't have any in-depth knowledge of this field, but my guess is that, out of the set of interventions whose effectiveness is easy to measure, the most effective ones will be those that target internally or regionally displaced refugees in the third world, as opposed to those who make it to first world countries.

One reason for avoiding talking about "1-to-N" moral progress on a public EA forum is that it is inherently political. I agree with you on essentially all the issues you mentioned in the post, but I also realise that most people in the world and even in developed nations will find at least one of your positions grossly offensive - if not necessarily when stated as above, then certainly after they are taken to their logical conclusions.

Discussing how to achieve concrete goals in "1-to-N" moral progress would almost certainly lead "moral reactionaries" to st... (read more)

I would love to see hiring done better at EA organizations, and if there was some kind of "help EA orgs do hiring better" role I would jump at the chance.

This would be great. Changing the human parts of the hiring process would be a lot of work, but if you can just get organizations to use some kind of software that automatically sends out "We received your application" and "Your application was rejected" e-mails then that would be a good start.

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10jwahl
2y
There actually is an organization doing this (that I won't name) which I had a horrible experience with. I think they are focused on doing hiring better from an organizational standpoint as opposed to advocating for the candidates.  This is clearly a problem across all industries, the hiring process is extremely out of touch right now. I was just hoping for better from EA. 

Good point. So if we can't hope for state alignment then that is an even stronger reason to oppose building state capabilities.

If there is a gene for "needing less sleep, high behavioural drive, etc", which seems like it ought to give an evolutionary advantage, and yet only a very small fraction of the population have the gene, there must be a reason for this.

I can think of the following possibilities:

  • It is a recent mutation.
  • The selective advantage of needing less sleep is not as great as it seems. (e.g. before artificial lighting was widespread, you couldn't get much done with your extra hours of wakefulness)
  • The gene also has some kind of selective disadvantage. (If we are lucky,
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ChristianKleineidam
2y
From looking at Wikipedia's description of orexin it does brown fat activation which is essentially burning calories for nothing but warmth.  One of the drugs which is orexin agonist that is currently in clinical trials was earlier used as a weightloss drug.  It looks like "increased nutritional requirements" is part of the selective disadvantage. 
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JohnBoyle
2y
I think a version of the second and third possibilities is probably true. For DEC2 and GRM1, the mutation decreases the ability of the gene to block wakefulness (DEC2) or promote tiredness (GRM1), and loss-of-function mutations seem easier to create.  And indeed, I think one of the papers mentioned that there are other mutations in the DEC2 gene that correlate with reduced sleep, and GRM1 already has two identified short-sleeper mutations.  Therefore, I expect that similar mutations have appeared in the past, but didn't catch on. Why would evolution have rejected them?  I suspect that, as you say, 10,000+ years ago (perhaps even 1000 years ago), being awake an extra two hours before dawn brought little benefit and basically just meant that you wasted calories; the tradeoff only became worthwhile very recently, in evolutionary terms.  Perhaps there were also effects like "people had a higher parasite load, and/or were constantly scraping their skin or stepping on sharp objects, and thus had a higher constant need for some type of repair that the mutations don't accelerate".

Improving state capacity without ensuring the state is aligned to human values is just as bad as working on AI capabilities without ensuring that the AI is aligned to human values. The last few years have drastically reduced my confidence in "state alignment" even in so-called "liberal" democracies.

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garymm
2y
Agreed. Voting reform and forecasting are already getting attention from some in EA and should be integrated into this larger project IMO.
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Dem0sthenes
2y
Lol full alignment of the state is not exactly a historically proud tradition... there were several notable efforts to align all the various sectors for the greater capacity of the state and society, strengthening all involved like how many small sticks bound together forms a much more robust whole.

Some additional relevant historical background: in 1938, and especially before Kristallnacht, it was not at all obvious how bad the Nazi persecution of Jews would subsequently become. The Wannsee Conference, where the Nazi leadership decided to implement the "final solution", was still four years in the future. The pogroms of 19th-century Russia were still within living memory, and Western democracies still had colonial empires, Jim Crow laws, lynchings, and similar abominations. Without accurate statistics, it would have been hard to tell whether the news... (read more)

Given that the immediate previous heading is "Take seriously the idea that you may be doing harm", I think we should give the OP the benefit of the doubt that he is aware that fully open borders might cause harms as well as benefits.

I have worked as a programmer in academia (at a scientific research institute rather than a university), as my first job after a PhD in a natural science field where I had done some programming for data analysis etc. My main motivation was to get a CV entry with "software developer" in the job title, such that I would then have an easier time finding a software job in the private sector. (With hindsight I don't think this was necessary, but there are probably many people now under the same misapprehension that I was then.) Depending on the kind of programming skills you are looking for, it might be possible to find someone in a similar situation. 

One possibly scalable intervention here would be a dating site (or other matchmaking service) that didn't have the fundamental conflict of interest where its income stream depends on its users failing to form successful long-term relationships.

The probability of success would be low, and even if you did gain a large market share it would only solve a fraction of the problem, but the cost of trying might be low enough that despite those factors it would still be a worthwhile philanthropic investment.

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ColdButtonIssues
2y
Yeah, I think this would worth be trying. Even more speculatively, I was thinking of whether trying to reduce wedding costs would be effective. Married couples have much higher birth rates than unmarried couples, and it looks like it might be partly causal. For instance, I know couples who waited to have children till they married and waited to marry until they could pay for a wedding.

An additional longtermist benefit of the decision is that the need to present the case for legal abortion in language that is biologically accurate and understandable to the general public (e.g. by using the word "woman") will improve epistemics among activists and the media. 

Hopefully this effect will extend outside gender to other questions where "progressive" dogma is obviously contrary to reality.

[With the caveat in Imma's comment]
I hold the following combination of beliefs, which are individually relatively common but rarely held together:

  • Many of the problems that anti-immigrationists claim are caused by migration are real and important.
  • Nevertheless, the benefits of reducing or eliminating migration restrictions would be so large that it is still a good idea on net.

As a corollary: I have heard many people (the example that springs to mind is Peter Singer in his interview for the 80k podcast, but there have been others) say something along the line... (read more)

Many intergovernmental organizations have a similar recruitment model with limited term contracts for most staff members. (My experience is with EMBL but I don't think the practice is limited to research-focused organizations.) The explicit aim is that staff members will join (possibly on secondment from national governments), bring their existing knowledge and share it with other staff from other countries, and then return to their home country bringing new experience to improve things there too.

The packages of benefits and perquisites offered by these or... (read more)

A platform that collates and displays data about localities from around the country (and world) in an easily digestible, comparable manner. High-level and granular data that could be provided may include wi-fi quality, acceptance of minority groups, frequency of crime, voting history and tax rate.

https://teleport.org provides a lot of this information. AFAIK it's funded by a company that sells relocation assistance to tech companies wanting to recruit internationally.

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samuel
2y
Thanks for sharing, Chris! I've been meaning to reach out to Teleport for a while to learn about their offerings. They've put together some decent data but the UI lacks something integral. I do like their intake survey as a way to narrow choices (a la @evelynciara's comment). The entire platform feels... abandoned? Could be a good partner down the line for the data side.

A necessary (but not sufficient) condition is that the people who want to attend meetups can find out when and where they are happening. You might think this is obvious, but my local group requires a login in order to view its "public calendar".

One useful resource for gathering such evidence is the EA Polls Facebook group.

I strongly doubt that a poll hosted on Facebook will provide unbiased evidence on those questions.

In addition, it could be particularly convenient to identify malevolent aspiring leaders and show their true colors while they are in the "political cradle" - before they become famous and powerful enough to deflect public criticism.

I agree that this would be useful. However, any organisation which sets out to do this will become an attractive target for anyone who currently holds power and wants to disrupt challengers by claiming that they are malevolent.

In addition, given the state of libel laws in many countries, having a single well-funded organisation... (read more)

My experience as a recipient of security consultants' advice matches what you are saying. The sole result has been paperwork. Admittedly, some of this paperwork has actually been helpful (IT workers are not always very good at writing documentation.) but I still don't think it was worth the opportunity cost.

Thanks for writing this! Writing a post on FOSS as an EA intervention has been on my to-do list ever since I noticed about six months ago that nobody had written one yet.

One additional benefit of FOSS that you appear to have missed is that, by offering a competitive alternative to proprietary software (and importantly, an alternative which can never be bought out in a corporate takeover), FOSS helps prevent the vendors selling proprietary software from exploiting their users quite as much as they otherwise would.

I definitely started using FOSS to save mone... (read more)