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Lukas_Gloor's Shortform

Can you provide some links on the latest IFR estimates? A quick Google search leads me to the same 0.5% ballpark.

2Lukas_Gloor1yI'm not following the developments anymore. I could imagine that the IFR is now lower than it used to be in April because treatment protocols have improved.
edoarad's Shortform

I think there is high variance in the growth rate of developing countries. My own country (Iran) certainly does not seem to be converging much. I also think that the areas where most convergence happens are the areas that are more materialistic; The medical textbooks get imported (and somewhat learned), but the institutions and attitudes that produced the textbooks in the first place, not so much.

Is some kind of minimally-invasive mass surveillance required for catastrophic risk prevention?
Answer by IndaJul 06, 20202

Which would be more dystopian to you, DNA engineering to ensure the distribution of human behavior will not include unilateral destruction, or super surveillance?

I personally think DNA engineering at least has some positive points, too, while surveillance is purely a necessary evil.

2casebash1yDNA engineering has some positive points, but imagine the power that having significant control its citizens personalities would give the government. That shouldn't be underestimated.
Impacts of rational fiction?

Expected utility as the doer believes? Otherwise the system is too complex for the karma to actually work well. It’s also probably deterministic ...

1vernonbarth1yyes that's how the world is!! yourmortgageonline [https://loginly.org/yourmortgageonline/] “Like gravity, karma is so basic we often don’t even notice it.” – Sakyong Mipham
Impacts of rational fiction?

I definitely think the more broad appeal of fiction does make it worthwhile as an outreach effort (though it needs to be explicitly educational. Mother of Learning, for all its good writing, doesn’t teach how to think better.). The concepts touched in the fictional works (that I remember) were all very low-inferential distance from the common culture, so they were confined to beginner concepts without an in-depth overview. For example, the Frozen fanfic by Wales touches on AI safety and effective altruism, and is fun and beautiful, but I did not learn anything from it.

As you say, fiction teaches less concepts and teaches them less well. I do think it might teach more memorably though.

Slate Star Codex, EA, and self-reflection

I have heavily updated on you being a bad faith actor. If you seriously believe your argument is not significantly pro-censorship, I suggest studying censorship historically in cases it clashes with your political views. Then compare those historical cases with what you advocate. Political censorship always believes itself to be something else. As the theocracy I live in says on my textbooks, “Freedom is not to do what anyone wants. Freedom is doing what the divine leader says.” Or as famous fiction has it, “war is peace.”

Max_Daniel's Shortform

This is a good link-list. It seems undiscoverable here though. I think thinking on how you can make such lists discoverable is useful. Making it a top-level post seems an obvious improvement.

4Max_Daniel1yThanks for the suggestion. I plan to make this list more discoverable once I feel like it's reasonably complete, e.g. by turning it into its own top-level post or appending it to a top-level post writeup of my research on this topic.
EA Forum feature suggestion thread

I don’t know :) I guess the idea itself is definitely sound, but implementing it correctly might be a challenge.

1Nathan Young1yI think we should upvote features we'd like and let the tech team decide what is possible to implement. It might be hard, it might not.
1Aidan O'Gara1yWhat if, when you highlight text within a post, a small toolbar pops up where you can click to quote the text in your comment box?
Slate Star Codex, EA, and self-reflection

I had written a good answer here, but it got deleted because I accidentally tapped a link. Comments should save drafts ... The TLDR of it is:

  • Censorship serves the elite and has historically been used to oppress and not empower.
  • It does not matter that people are evil [OUTGROUP HERE]. I have personally known people who openly said they were terrorists-if-opportunity-allows, nazis (literal Hitler supporters), thieves, etc. NONE OF THEM did anything out of the ordinary. Their incentives made them act just like others. See this book for a treatise on how mer
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-1Effective_Altruism_Person1yI’m not advocating for censoring anyone. I’m interested in complicity with racism in the EA community.
EA Forum feature suggestion thread

This will be a distracting overhead though. Also, there can be many comments on a single paragraph.

2Nathan Young1yI don't think so. As I commented, parhaps these start invisible (or with little markers you can mouse over). I find it works on google docs. what do you think?
EA Forum feature suggestion thread

I think greaterwrong has an option to hide karma.

EA Forum feature suggestion thread

Has anyone considered a hackernews-style section? I know there is already support for posting links, but:

  • They act as posts, while their function is not at all like that in Hackernews. E.g.,
    • I don’t want my subscriptions to people show me their submitted links. At not as post notifications.
  • Hackernews thrives by banning editorialization. You can only submit a link with its original title (or a sufficiently neutral title in case the original title sucks. They have guidelines on their site, iirc.). The poster has no privilege over other users.
  • There is a
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EA Forum feature suggestion thread

I am curious, why isn’t the greaterwrong frontend getting adopted as the primary UI? It’s much faster, much more touch-friendly, customizable, and generally rocks. Its only downpoint is that it lacks features compared to LW, which should be solved in, say, 6 months? That would be a major QoL improvement. The LW UI frequently hangs on my iPad, it’s so bloated.

EA Forum feature suggestion thread

Is it hard to make here and Lesswrong more compatible? I am thinking of a cross-posting feature that has comments of both forums. Linking the accounts (for subscriptions, for example. Karma maybe.) also seems nice.

2MaxRa17dYeah, just a feature which displays the comments from LessWrong crossposts would save me some clicking.
EA Forum feature suggestion thread

I think this has bad effects also. It’ll make the site appeal more to “normal” people, and look less serious. It also doesn’t give us any useful information, but take up real estate and use up attention. It might make groupthink more prevalent, too; I personally have found my thinking is most honest when I am thinking alone and don’t plan to share them socially.

Forum update: Tags are live! Go use them!

Can you add a “research summary” tag for posts like this? Other suggestions: “book summary,” “podcast/talk summary,” “summary.”

Fewer but poorer: Benevolent partiality in prosocial preferences

If EA gets the tag feature from Lesswrong, there can easily be a repository of summaries of important papers. That seems quite valuable, given the alternative is science journalism which is geared towards random results and a more unsophisticated audience. Update: EA does have tags. I’ll ping in the relevant post for a “research summary” tag. Mentioning writing summaries of research papers on an EA advice page is a good way to spread the norm. Based on research on learning (and common sense), this will also help the author to consolidate their new insights in their own brain.

Problem areas beyond 80,000 Hours' current priorities

Can’t you release the backups on torrent in the event of a legal shutdown? Without actually admitting that you “leaked” the data, of course. Considering how successful piracy has been, making a first-party backup persist on the net seems like a low hanging fruit to me.

1JP Addison1yNo. The backups contain data like user emails and private messages that are, well, private. We expose all our public information over our API [https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/graphiql].
EA and tackling racism

This is a good marketing strategy, but it risks becoming “Moloch;” The popular cause (originally intended as marketing) might eat away the others.

Other than that, why do you expect EA to more successful than other groups? Big, popular, entrenched problems are seldom easily exploitable. In the case of inequality; There are some conservative suggestions I have heard that seem worth trying out (e.g., public minority-only schools with strong selection filters and high academic/behavioral standards), but are readily dismissed because they are not politically de

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Making discussions in EA groups inclusive

I think just not answering or downvoting is enough. You can point out that there is not sufficient evidence for you to take the time to study this long document which also seemed crackpotty to your quick skim. That is the truth, after all. If the crackpot repeatedly spams, well spamming warrants a ban.

EA considerations regarding increasing political polarization

I am speaking purely as an speculating layman, but hasn’t Europe failed economically and militarily compared to American and Asian countries?

4Flodorner1yIf you go by GDP per capita, most of europe is behind the US but ahead of most of Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita] (growth rates in Asia are higher though, so this might change at some point in the future.) In terms of the Human Develompment Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index] (which seems like a better measure of "success" than just GDP), some countries (including large ones like Germany and the UK) score above the US but others score lower. Most of Asia (except for Singapore, Hong Kong and Japan) scores lower. For the military aspect, it kind of depends on what you mean by "failed"? Europe is clearly not as militarily capable as the US, but it also seems quite questionable whether spending as much as the US on military capabilities is a good choice, especially for allies of the US who also possess (or are strongly connected with) other countries who possess nuclear deterrence.
Impacts of rational fiction?
Answer by IndaJun 25, 20204

The biggest effect of rational fiction for me was feeling the “warm” glow of the ingroup in the fiction I consumed. I could empathize with the characters. I think this kind of effect is inherently good, as feeling like you’re a minority with no culture is bad and encourages homogenization.

I was already a “rationalist” before reading rational fiction, and the fiction works have always struck me as much weaker than the content on our forums. On using them to “convert” other people to rationality … Well ... (read more)

1vn2561yHi I'm curious as to what you mean by "weaker" - does this mean it teaches fewer concepts or it teaches them less well, or maybe that the concepts don't stick as well in reader's minds? Would the more widespread appeal of fiction be able to account for this (say, lower probability of retention complemented by higher numbers of readers)?
Against opposing SJ activism/cancellations

Perhaps the reason we don’t know of them offhand is that preventing big obscure potential harm never gets much status among our species.

Against opposing SJ activism/cancellations

I think, with our limited capacity for social consensus, and our high-IQ bias towards being contrarian, having the norm of bashing (not censoring per se) pro-censorship ideas is beneficial.

Against opposing SJ activism/cancellations

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me