Thank you for reading my post and for the thoughtful comment — and for the links to the Sentience Institute methodology, which I found genuinely interesting.

The goal of my post was to draw lessons for the EA community from the Fabians' approach, not to provide a rigorous causal analysis of their impact — which would require considerably more space and evidence than a forum post allows. That said, I do think however the evidence for Fabian influence goes well beyond the two points you mentioned. The historical literature — Margaret Cole's The Story of Fabian Socialism, Edward Pease's History of the Fabian Society, and several academic assessments — document specific causal pathways, such as for example the Fabians' direct role in drafting the Labour Party's 1918 constitution, their documented influence on the Education Act of 1902 (passed by a Conservative government), the institutional legacy of the LSE in training generations of policymakers and researchers. These are examples of traceable policy influence.

Establishing rigorous causal attribution for social change is inherently difficult — as your own methodology work discusses so well. My post would have certainly benefited from foregrounding these specific causal pathways more clearly rather than relying primarily on references to the existing literature made in my post:
- Pease,
- Cole,
- MacDonald in the Journal of Politics,
- Poirier in Political Science Quarterly,
- Scott Alexander's post.

If I revisit this topic, I'll aim to incorporate that kind of evidence more explicitly. Thank you for pushing the analysis to be stronger — that's what makes the Forum valuable.

Kes, my sincere congratulations, glad that all went well despite the unexpected challenges! Strong upvote and hope it just the first step!

Kes, excellent post, strong upvote! I have a feeling that combination of Quaker culture and EA might some very positive impact )

I hope to be able to visit one of your future events, especially given that the concept is very close to my concept of EA holiday retreat.

Maybe someone should suggest to CEA to allocate a grant so that you could develop a brief course or workshop and advise people in other national groups on how to organise such events!

And good luck with the upcoming event!

As for the main theme of the post, there seems to be a simple fundamental reason for such difficulties in finding an EA-aligned job. EA overall funding is just not big enough to create enough jobs for all interested people. And among other consequences, an important one is that it limits participation in EA - 2019 EA survey by @David_Moss  showed that "too few job opportunities" were No. 1 barrier to greater involvement with EA.

This situation will not change until EA starts focusing on how to attract or create more donors (I have ideas but no one would read this anyway, so why bother )))

A personal and therefore rather limited observation (sample size about 40-50 people in total). Interestingly enough, for all this intensive hiring processes, I’ve happened to come across presumably nice people (in very different EA organisations and across diverse ranges of experience) who are nevertheless spectacularly ineffective, at least using my (probably too high) bar of experience in investments. What surprises me further, such people so far significantly outnumbered highly effective people whom I was fortunate to meet in EA.

I deliberately don’t give examples of ineffectiveness so as not to offend those nice people, but with my 25+ years of working in highly effective business organisations and managing people, believe me – I know what I’m talking about 😉

Great idea - thank you, Kestrel! Strong upvote!

BTW, for some reason it's not visible in the Evens section

Strong upvote - we need more such events! Respect to @Laszlo Treszkai and @Marlyn for organising it!

Great piece of work and pioneering research. Strong upvote!

Kestrel, I'd very much like to come - but unfortunately for me a it's a long trip from Cyprus ((

Vasco, looking at the title I thought first that you were the author - but surprisingly, no! I fully agree with you - excellent post, strongly upvoted, too!