Why am I not bullish on civilizational refuges for reducing bio xrisk? I believe bio xrisk is concentrated in E2H scenarios or AI takeover, and neither of these things benefit much from refuges. For both of these threat models, there is value in refuges but only if they are a safe staging area to take back control of the environment or against an AI, which means you probably need a full industrial base worth of people/infrastructure to be protected. Society-wide biohardening and PPE is therefore the better option even on purely longtermist grounds (and has the additional property of also being much more valuable on non-longtermist grounds as well!)
EA is facing its most serious PR crisis in history, and nobody in EA seems to be discussing it or doing anything effective about it. Everyone seems to be carrying on as if this is business as usual.
President Donald Trump, AI Czar David Sacks, and the Department of War have launched a coordinated campaign in the last week to portray EA as treasonous and toxic.
Their campaign motto is 'Americanism, not Effective Altruism'. Tens of thousands of MAGA political influencers are attacking EA (often from positions of total ignorance) on social media platforms such as X, Truth Social, and Facebook. They're also portraying all concerns about catastrophic risks from AI as a 'hoax', a 'psyop', and a CCP influence campaign -- part of a 'Doomer Industrial Complex'.
This is unprecedented. It's far worse than any previous scandal or crisis that EA has faced. Even the SBF/FTX debacle didn't lead to key American leaders and legions of influencers directly attacking EA.
Are we going to do anything about this, or just let the pro-AI accelerationists, in the current White House administration and the Pentagon, trash-talk the movement that we've spent the last 15 years growing and defending?
"We cannot choose not to be vegan, even for a moment, even if it would be pragmatic to do so."
I genuinely don't mean to be glib, but have you tried? One can just choose to become non-vegan, so if one truly believed that non-vegans were better advocates and we need more of them, surely it should be something to consider.
Will anyone take the other side of this bet? By January 1, 2034, the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Financial Times, and Bloomberg will all agree the AI bubble has popped. (As in, they will all report it as news, not just publish an opinion column saying so.)
The stakes: $20 to the charity of the winner's choice.
Why this bet? Mainly just for fun. But also to make a point.
I chose 7 years as the time horizon for the bet because I read that 5 to 7 years is the time horizon for many AI investments.
My hunch is that the AI bubble will pop within 3 years, but who knows. Markets can keep lending and investing in unprofitable ventures for a very long time.
YC never had any sort of monopoly on the best startups though, its own terms are much better than they used to be, and its still definitely the most prestigious. The question isn't "why didn't Anthropic join YC", it's "why, if AI truly makes most developers 10x more productive and transforms the unit economics of customers, are the valuations of a cohort of prestigious "AI-enabled" startups round about their non-AI enabled 2019 peers?". There really aren't enough people founding research labs for that to be the issue
Of course, any early stage valuations graph is as much a graph of investor sentiment as anything else, but if AI was really making these companies significantly more productive, investors would have to be very bearish on AI or YC selection effect to have gone down the toilet for that not to show in the data. I presume median data looks similar?
The best counterargument is that AI also makes it easier for competitors leading to less defensible business models even if AI actually enables them to grow faster, but if that was the case investor sentiment should be much more bearish on incumbents...
Thanks for the post. I think this is an important strategic debate to have, so I'll reply in more length than usual.
I agree with you that we should be honest about what we believe, pursue a variety of strategies, and try to expand the moral circle. I also think you're right that animal liberation played an important role in recruiting many of the movement's current leaders. And I have immense respect for liberation-focused activists like Wayne Hsiung who do courageous work to help animals. None of the following is intended as a criticism of their work. That said, I disagree with you on a number of other points:
Thanks again for this thoughtful post, which I think makes an important point.