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There's a variant of attitude (1) which I think is worth pointing out:

1. b) Progress studies is good and we should put resources into it, because it is a good way to reduce X-risk on the margin.

Some arguments for (1b):

• Progress studies helps us understand how tech progress is made, which is useful for predicting X-risk.
• The more wealthy and stable we are as a civilization, the less likely we are to end up in arms-race type dynamics.
• Some technologies help us deal with X-risk (e.g. mRNA for pandemic risks, or intelligence augmentation for all risks). This argument only works if PS accelerates the 'good' types of progress more than the 'bad' ones, which seems possible.

I don't have this impression.

In the sentence you quoted, you literally state that 80k tracks the # of calls and # of career plan changes, but doesn't track the long-run impacts of their advisees.

I also downvoted for the same reason. I've looked at 80k's reports pretty closely (bc I was basing our local EA group's metrics on them) and it seemed pretty obvious to me that the counterfactual impact their advisees have is in fact the main thing they try to track & that they use for decisionmaking.

I haven't looked into the other orgs as deeply, but your statement about 80k makes me disinclined to believe the rest of the list.

Where do you get the impression that they focus mainly on # of calls?

So here's a framing that I found useful, maybe someone else will too.

Given some problem area, let's say $I$ is the importance of the problem, defined as the total value we gain from solving the whole thing, and write $p\left(r\right)\in [0,1]$ for the proportion of the problem solved depending on the total resources $r$ invested (this is the graph in the post).

Now let's say $R$ is the amount of resources that are currently being used to combat the problem. We want to estimate the current marginal value of additional resources, which is given by $I\cdot \frac{dp}{}$... (read more)

Thanks for pointing that out! I should have read more carefully. I might still be reading you wrong here (if so, sorry) but it feels like this doesn't directly engage with the point.

The paragraph argues that since foundations are currently sanctioned by governments, Reich and other critics ought to respect that decision because it's democratic. I think this is a strawman of their argument; you're assuming an abstract notion of 'democraticness' that infuses everything the government does, whereas the critics don't care whether... (read more)

I agree with the general point that large foundations are a force for good on net. But I also feel like you haven't engaged with the main point of critics like Rob Reich, which (as I understand it) is that philanthropic foundations are a powerful lever that wealthy people can use to build influence―a lever that can be weakened by regulating foundations.

To defend (not that they're in need of much defending) billionaire philanthropy I think you need to argue that foundations provide enough value that having them is worth empowering the wealthy. (fwiw I think this is very likely true)