All of Calvin_Baker's Comments + Replies

Hi Cam, I'm glad you found the notes useful! Most of these (with The Precipice being an exception) were notes taken from audiobooks. As I was listening, I'd write down brief notes (sometimes as short as a key word or phrase) on the Notes app on iPhone. Then, once a day/once every couple days, I'd reference the Notes app to jog my memory, and write down the longer item of information in a Gdoc. Then, when I'd finished the book, I'd organize/synthesize the Gdoc into a coherent set of notes with sections etc. 

These days I follow a similar system, but use... (read more)

Wow, this is good - go Claude 3! 

Hi Andreas! I'm worried that the maximality rule will overgeneralize, implying that little is rationally required of us. Consider the decision whether to have children. There are obvious arguments both for and against from a self-interested point of view, and it isn't clear exactly how to weigh them against each other. So, plausibly, having children will max EU according to at least one probability function in our representor, whereas not having children will max EU according to at least one other probability function in our representor. Result via maximal... (read more)

Hi Michael, thanks for the post! I was really happy to see something like this on the EA Forum. In my view, EAs* significantly overestimate the plausibility of total welfarist consequentialism**, in part due to a lack of familiarity with the recent literature in moral philosophy. So I think posts like this are important and helpful.

* I mean this as a generic term (natural language plurals (usually) aren't universally quantified).

** This isn't to suggest that I think there's some other moral theory that is very plausible. They're all implausible, as far as I can tell; which is partly why I lean towards anti-realism in meta-ethics. 

Thanks for the recs! What's the Lecun you mention? 

I'd love to see Johann Frick (Philosophy, UC Berkeley) on the podcast. Johann is a nonconsequentialist who defends the procreation Asymmetry and thinks longtermism is deeply misguided. Imo, his recent paper on the Asymmetry is one of the best; he'll be able to steel-person many philosophical views that challenge common EA commitments; and he's an engaging speaker. 

Thanks for catching this, Bella! I've updated the link here and on our syllabus. 

Hi Saul, since this is a discussion-based seminar rather than a lecture course, we won't be recording. However, I plan to teach this course again in the future and may change the format - so future iterations may be recorded.

Hi Joe, thanks for sharing this. I enjoyed it - as I have enjoyed and learned from many of your philosophy posts recently!

A couple things:

1) I'm curious about your thoughts on the role of knowledge in epistemology and decision theory.  You write, e.g., 'Consider the divine commands of the especially-big-deal-meta-ethics spaghetti monster...'. On pain of general skepticism, don't we get to know that a spaghetti monster is not 'the foundation of all being'? (I don't have a strong commitment here, but after talking with a colleague who works in epistemol... (read more)

Neff's book has been huge for my mental health. However, sometimes I find myself applying the self-compassion framework in a way that's too formulaic, making it feel like a chore. (E.g., 'step 1: what would my best friend say to me right now? Step 2: remind myself that I'm not the only one experiencing/struggling with [whatever]. Step 3: pause to let yourself feel what you're feeling.) I'd be interested if she has any tips for making it feel more warm/spontaneous/etc. and less rote 

Thanks, Oliver! And am I reading the website correctly that the fellowship is full time, such that participants won't be able to devote any time to their current research agendas (aside from weekends/evenings etc.)? 

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Anders_Edson
2y
The program is full-time, so we do expect fellows to devote full-time working hours towards fellowship research.  Of course, if the research agenda of a participant is aligned with the sort of work we're excited to see in the program, this could be worked on as part of the fellowship. Aside from that, where a participant's research is unrelated to the work being done in the fellowship, they will need to pursue that research in their free time.

Will this program recur, or is this a one-off opportunity? (I'm quite interested, but unfortunately unsure whether I can take seven months off my PhD during this particular academic year.)

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Oliver Z
2y
Whether the program recurs likely depends on a few different factors including the results of the first iteration of the program. Assuming things all go well; however, we would be excited to run this again next year.

Really interesting! Do you have anything in mind for goods identified by competing ethical theories that you think would compete with, e.g., the beatific vision for the Christian or nirvana for the Buddhist? (A clear example here would be a valuable update for me.)

+1 on your comment that 'Giving the right answers for the wrong reasons is still deeply unsatisfying.' I think this is an under appreciated part of ethical theorizing and would even take a stronger methodological stance: getting the right explanatory answers (why we ought to do what we ought to) is just as important as getting the right extensional answers (what we ought to do). If an ethical theory gives you the wrong explanation, it's not the right ethical theory!

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MichaelStJules
2y
You could have infinitely many (and, in principle, even more than countably many) instances of finite goods in an infinite universe/multiverse, or lexically dominating pleasures (e.g. Mill's higher pleasures), or just set a lexical threshold for positive goods or good lives. Any of the goods in objective list theories could be claimed to be infinitely valuable. Some people think life is infinitely valuable, although often also on religious grounds. I'd interpret supreme soteriology as claiming finite amounts of Earthly (or non-Heavenly) goods have merely finite value while salvation has infinite value, but this doesn't extend to infinite amounts of Earthly goods, and other theories can simply reject the claim that all individual instances of Earthly goods have merely finite value. I don't claim that these other possible infinities have much to defend them, but I think this applies to supreme soteriology, too. The history and number of people believing supreme soteriology only very slightly adds to its plausibility, because we have good reasons to believe the believers are mistaken in their beliefs and the reasons for their beliefs aren't much supported by evidence, but anything that's plausibly a good at all could be about as plausible as a candidate for generating infinite good, and maybe even more plausible, depending on your views. There are many such candidates, so they could add up together to outweigh supreme soteriology if they correlate, or some of them could just be much easier to achieve.

Hi Michael, thanks for your comments! A few replies:

Re: amplification, I'm not sure about this proposal (I'm familiar with that section of the book). From the perspective of a supreme soteriology (e.g. (certain conceptions of) Christianity), attaining salvation is the best possible outcome, full stop. It is, to use MacAskill, Bykvist, and Ord's terminology, maximally choiceworthy. It therefore seems to me wrong that 'those other views could be further amplified lexically, too, all ad infinitum.' To insist that we could lexically amplify a supreme soteriolo... (read more)

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MichaelStJules
2y
I agree with most of this. With respect to domination, I just mean that MEC could still give more weight to their recommendations over those of supreme soteriology, because their infinities could compete with those of supreme soteriology (I don't mean anything like stochastic dominance or Pareto improvement). I don't think we're required to take for granted that salvation is better than everything else across all theories under a universal scale account. Other theories will have other plausible candidates that should compete. Some may even directly refer to salvation and make claims that other things are better. I agree that lexical amplifications of theories that don't have infinities do seem ad hoc, but I don't think we should assign them 0 probability. (Similarly, we shouldn't assign 0 probability to other lexical views.) So, it's not obvious that we should bet on supreme soteriology, until we also check the plausibility of and weigh other infinities. Of course, I still think this "solution" is unsatisfying and I think the principled objection of fanaticism still holds, even if it turns out not to hold in practice. I would say I don't know if MEC will deliver sufficiently implausible verdicts to sufficiently many agents without checking more closely given other possible infinities, but I think if it does give plausible verdicts most of the time (or even almost all of the time), this is mostly by luck and too contingent on our current circumstances and beliefs. Giving the right answers for the wrong reasons is still deeply unsatisfying.

Is there any room in the application process for applicants to submit samples of original research or academic letters of recommendation?

Thank you!

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lukeprog
6y
Yes, you may submit a writing sample by sending it to jobs@openphilanthropy.org, as FirstName.LastName.Sample (e.g. John.Smith.Sample.doc or John.Smith.Sample.pdf). If you'd like to submit a letter of recommendation, please include it as a page of your résumé. Please keep in mind that writing samples and letters of recommendation are entirely optional, so if you don't already have them handy, I don't recommend spending time pulling them together. Our application process puts much more weight on work test performance anyway.