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It appears to be the extrapolation using exponential growth from current capacity using maximum likelihood to fit the growth rate. Whether you believe the date comes down to how well you think their generalized logical Qubit measures what they're trying to capture.

I think it's worth remembering that asking experts for timelines requiring more than 10 years often results in guessing 10 years, so I would tend to favor a data-based extrapolation over that.

Eliminating aging also has the potential for strong negative long-term effects. Both of the ones I'm worried about are actually extensions of your point about eliminating long-term value drift. No aging enables autocrats to stay in power indefinitely, as it is often the uncertainty of their death that leads to the failure of their regimes. Given that billions worldwide currently live under autocratic or authoritarian governments, this is a very real concern.

Another potentially major downside is the stagnation of research. If Kuhn is to be believed, a ... (read more)

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InquilineKea
3y
Among the largest nations that are most relevant to the world (or have a disproportionate ability to shape what happens to the world relative to their ability to be shaped by other countries), it only applies for China and Russia, and it's unclear whether Xi or Putin strongly care about immortality (and even if it did, it would be unlikely to arrive quickly enough to save them). Given that the next 100 years might be the most important years ever in human history, this makes this supposition more bounded on what might happen in the next 100 years, and there aren't that many dictators in that position. It's also unlikely that China would become less autocratic/flexible even after Xi dies (the CCP will just have other ways to maintain its power - probably in a way similar to how North Korea barely changed after Kim Jung Il died. When an autocrat's closest associates also die off over time, it can cause a weakening of the strong beliefs held by some of the previous generation, which might facilitate regime change. I think this concern has a potential for strong negative downside on the tails, but it's unclear if it is a strong negative downside in the median case (given that we know who the most relevant dictators are here, and there aren't many). Given the increasing power disparity between China and the West, what happens in China then becomes uniquely important, so this concern may be more targeted around whether or not China's ability to change is affected by whether or not the death of Xi's successor (and everyone in Xi's generation of the CCP) would significantly increase the chances of China transitioning away from the strongest downsides of autocracy or authoritarian governments (I believe China transitioning away from authoritarianism is unlikely no matter what, though the death of its autocrats over the next 100 yearsmight increase China's chances of ultimately transitioning away from the most negative effects of authoritarian governments, such as censorship
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Matthew_Barnett
4y
Agreed. One way you can frame what I'm saying is that I'm putting forward a neutral thesis: anti-aging could have big effects. I'm not necessarily saying they would be good (though personally I think they would be). Even if you didn't want aging to be cured, it still seems worth thinking about it because if it were inevitable, then preparing for a future where aging is cured is better than not preparing. I think this is real, and my understanding is that empirical research supports this. But the theories I have read also assume a normal aging process. It is quite probable that bad ideas stay alive mostly because the proponents are too old to change their mind. I know for a fact that researchers in their early 20s change their mind quite a lot, and so a cure to aging would also mean more of that.

I suspect a major divide in the usefulness of academic publication is whether we're trying to establish specific empirical claims, or develop a philosophical framework. For the former, if you want to make STEM claims, it's difficult to get people to take you seriously without having published results. This is what MIRI is doing. Many other EA problems, such as disease mitigation and economic development already have a developed literature, meaning much of the problem right now is applying that literature to donating strategy. As EA becomes more prevalent a... (read more)