This is the first decent post I’ve read on the subject on this forum. Thank you, it gives me hope that EA has not completely lost the plot when it comes to the intersection between animal advocacy and diet.
I would add that for those of us that eat a Mediterranean diet, Veganism presents a significant trade-off in terms of diet quality.
For those of us in Southern Europe, it also has a trade-off on environmental impact due to the nature of agro-silvo-pastoralism here (although that is outside of the scope of a mere forum comment).
Great post!
I must say, this anxiety is what happens when people adopt Utilitarianism as a moral philosophy instead of the actual goal of EA - to donate a certain % of first world incomes in an effective way. The jump to “maximise utility always” is one that can only lead to paralysis, anxiety, and nihilism, as many more capable than me have pointed out.
Thanks for sharing. This is an example of why naive utilitarianism can be harmful. EA needs to more clearly adopt a framework with duties of care, and personal rights. I dare call it “common sense ethics”.
I would add that having children in the West is a huge net good on society, even if that means fewer shrimp have their welfare improved. (We can think about EY’s argument on hiccups here)
The economy is a positive sum game, meaning children add more than they take, and there simply would be no wealth to distribute otherwise. If we think on a long enough time horizon, the only way to improve everyone’s welfare significantly is by having more children in productive areas.
I completely agree with this. As a (Americans read: neo) Liberal that thinks the Green movement does far more harm than good, some of the political campaigning I’ve seen EAs do really puts me off and makes me question the entire movement. SBF’s lobbying of politicians in the US is another example of egregious misuse of funds.
Until those checks and balances are in place, we should be focusing on directing funds to the most impactful causes. That should be the beginning and end of EA in my opinion. Politics is almost never the best ROI approach to anything, ...
I very much doubt the reason it’s won’t be made privately available is due to Pfizer thinking it wouldn’t be worth it. More likely it’s down to sufficient stock being available in the NHS for the cohort that will be receiving it, and the government not wanting to add more demand, which would increase the cost per dose for the NHS.
It’s perverse, but a likely consequence of the Beveridge style universal healthcare system used in the U.K.
These diatribes against agriculture in the EA movement really sadden me.
One thing this piece has not considered is the physical possibility of agriculture without animals. Specifically with regards to the nitrogen cycle.
It also doesn’t consider agro-silvo-pastoralism, or the downsides of eliminating all forms of animal agriculture on ecosystems, especially those suffering from increased desertification due to climate change.
Finally, this text doesn’t seriously consider agricultural systems which are clearly a net positive from a consequentialist point of v...
TL;DR: This initiative would have led to bad consequences and the EA movement needs to be more evidence-based when it comes to animal agriculture. I leave a few suggestions to improve animal welfare more effectively below.
In my opinion, this topic is the one where the Effective Altruism movement is the most in its ivory tower still. Everything I've read on this topic by the EA community, like Peter Singer's Animal Liberation or the chapter dedicated to it in What We Owe The Future showcases a total separation from reality. I think we're all on boar...
claims like 99% of meat being factory farmed are just intuitively false to anyone that has spent any significant amount of time in the countryside and farms outside of the USA
I don't think this is the claim typically being made. Rather, X% of farmed animals, as individuals, not by weight, are factory farmed. The vast majority of farmed land vertebrates are chickens, and the vast majority of them are factory farmed. The vast majority of farmed vertebrates (land or aquatic) are farmed fish, and the vast majority of them are factory farmed. Factory farms prod...
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"Most of this is just not true.[1][2] It stems from a conflation between biogenic greenhouse gas emissions and anthropogenic fossil fuel emissions. The former is part of the natural carbon cycle, with animals playing a crucial role in maintaining healthy ecosystems which acts as a carbon sink."
I do think this issue is subtle, and people on both sides often get it wrong or go too far. FAO even put out a piece aiming to correct bad simplifications (https://news.trust.org/item/20180918083629-d2wf0). Being part of a natural carbon cycle (even with no c...
This is so cool. A few ideas which I’m not fit to write:
Next generation Geothermal https://elidourado.com/blog/geothermal/
Policy and technological advancements to increase residential construction in the U.K.
Research on the best health system models
Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion
Oscillating water column technology (wave energy)
Digitisation and simplification of government services/law (a la Estonia and Próspera)
Drug regulation reciprocity
This is a pretty interesting read: https://ec.europa.eu/food/animals/animal-welfare/animal-welfare-practice/slaughter-stunning_en
Good question. The core difference is this:
Forecasting is about assigning probabilities to future events.
Falsification is about testing whether an idea can survive clearly defined attempts to prove it false.
Forecasting asks, how likely is this to happen?
Falsification asks, what would prove this wrong, and has that happened?
This matters because not every meaningful idea resolves cleanly into a forecastable event.
For example, “UBI reduces crime” or “MoND is a better fit than dark matter at low accelerations” are not yes-or-no outcomes with clean resolution d... (read more)