All of Letian Wang's Comments + Replies

I'm not pushing back on your comment, nor do I think there's anything wrong with it! In fact, I'm very appreciative of your effort to making a difference. 

It's just very interesting that what other people think is the problem and what actually impacts me are fundamentally different. I used to not want to believe that personal experience presents a significant barrier to mutual understanding, but being embedded in a crowd so different from myself really changed my mind on that cosmopolitan pipe dream. 

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So, I am Chinese and have lived in the west for about half of my life, and I think I can contribute a few very personal vantage points. 

The Western centric-ness is less about what music the podcast plays or even what intellectual traditions the movement draws its intellectual roots from. It's more about the personality and social dynamics.  I'll summarise what makes blending into the community challenging for me. And I'll be very blunt here

  • While EAs on average has more intellectual humility than the average person, the white and male overrepresen
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Thanks that is super helpful and I think also super action-relevant. I can right away myself go to EA events keeping in mind: * To make sure I am listening proportionally (e.g. in a crowd of 4, not talking more than ~25% of the time, allowing time for silence/others to say something) * To make sure I spend some of the time I am talking to ask questions about the non-EA passions of those I am talking to - perhaps they love some activity I always have been curious about/wanting to learn Thanks a lot for pushing back on my comment - I realize my phrasing above was clumsy/wrong - I should have written something more like "Being born in a Western country myself, the below observations are probably missing the mark but hopefully they can start a conversation to help make more people feel like they belong in EA."

Another generally good approach: Avoid big words if you can. Uncommon words are much harder for non native speakers to comprehend even if we know the word. Often I found myself searching in my memory for the word's meaning and missed a whole sentence. It's difficult to do if these words permeate the materials you engage with,but not impossible. Also,don't use the word permeate!

Hi Ben,

As a Chinese national currently living in the west, I think I broadly agree with your argument that "efforts to expand effective altruism into other languages should initially focus on person-to-person outreach to a small number of people with key expertise." I also appreciate your grasp of the complexity of cultural and linguistic barriers in promoting EA ideas in the Chinese context, which can often be lost on EAs who are less familiar with other cultures.

One potential objection to this is that not rushing into massive translation effort... (read more)