All of LucasNarukami's Comments + Replies

It's a shame that you think that EA isn't for you. We could use more people like you.

Please remember that I don't represent the whole movement. If you can and you are interested, It would be nice if you could look what other EAs have to say. You may like it a lot more.

Hi :)

I used Google Analytics and I constantly tracked all the activity on the Facebook page and groups, comparing the performance of each text in many ways. I also talked to a lot of people about the texts and what perception they had of the EA movement so far. Apart from that, I frequently offered my contact information, and we have a Facebook group for EA in Spanish in which interested people could ask questions(almost all of them were either about effective animal activism or off-topic).

These methods allowed me to get a very good general idea. We could ... (read more)

I do stand by the title (in the sense that I don't think it's false) because I added a "yet". I think that EA in spanish-speaking countries is quite far from getting really started. At the very least, six months. And it's very likely it will only catching on little by little if I decide to work full time on this with a strong team. Due to the enormous talent constraint, it seems unlikely that it will happen soon.

I think that the title may lead to misunderstandings and that it is quite problematic, but it certainly isn't wrong. Since It leads to misunderstanding, I regret choosing it, and you are right when you point out the problems with it.

Hi not-an-ea. I completely agree with you when you say that some aspects of my article are problematic!

From my perspective, many of the claims that I made seem very reasonable. This is because I researched all these issues well and I know a lot about Latin America and Its people. I lived all my life here, after all.

The problem is that I tried to do a very brief summary here, so I didn’t offer all the evidence to back up my claims. I merely talked about what I think based on my knowledge so far.

If there is enough interest on this topic, I would be willing t... (read more)

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I must confess I am even more confused now. I am not even clear where you stand. For example, you say in another comment that the title is misleading but here you say: I come from a very different background. I know many people who have devoted their lives to understand the terrain and work on social change and mindset change. I am one of them. I and my peers still find that our work throws up surprises and insights. We try, we fail, we try again slightly differently, fail differently, and the cycle goes on. And so I feel pretty disconnected with your levels of assertiveness and confidence. I was not aware that just living in a country for a few decades (including childhood) and working on a cause for a few months can make anyone such an expert about all people in that and similar countries and that this short duration can enable enough data gathering and opinions and thoughts to reach drastic conclusions. Or to arrive at a perfect approach to use the next time around. As I said, this is an interesting insight into EA thinking and working. It confirms to me, among other things, that EA is not for diffident plodders like me. The communication gap is so high I don't think there is much point in me in engaging any further. Thanks for responding.

Hi Tom! :) I will reply each question briefly, as I'm a bit busy.

What knowledge and/or messages did you try to spread? Effective charity, or GiveWell, or effective animal activism, or broad EA under that name, or x-risk, or anything else?

We wrote about Effective Charity, Earning to Give, Deworming, Rationality and Effective animal activism in general. We also translated some popular EA texts from GiveWell, Yudkowsky and Scott.

In what combinations did you spread them? Did you try spreading knowledge of GiveWell without packaging it with e.g. x-risk?

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Thanks :)

But Effective altruism means different things in different countries. If the 'give to developing countries charities' EA meme just doesn't work in one country and some other does, 'give to the most effective charity working within the country' for example, then that's the most effective thing you can do there.

This is a very good idea and I was already planning on moving on that direction with EA in Spanish. I researched many charities and giving opportunities in Latin America. Unfortunately, I didn’t find many exceptional ones, though there ar... (read more)

Yes, totally. The next post was going to consist of some ideas about the critics true rejections and how to deal with it.

The question about what would be a healthy EA ecosystem is really interesting and worth exploring. Somebody should write more about it. I may eventually do it.

My current intuition is that we need more people from diverse fields of knowledge and with diverse skills, since they can contribute to EA in unique ways, apart from donating. To gain this benefit, I think that it's worth losing a bit in other regards if we have to. I will think more about it though.

This comment is very smart and important. You made me think a lot.

In the case of science, I think the example isn’t good for your point, but your point is perfect nonetheless. I will simplify, but the reason that I think that the example doesn’t work is because science has lost its battle with religion (warm language) for centuries, and only started gaining ground because it started producing really useful things. Religion produces very little and it still manages to put up a fight against Science. Science is successful despite the fact that it’s ''cold'' ... (read more)

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Dawn Drescher
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I’ve been writing a lot of roughly 500-word announcements for charity events trying to combine at least these two advantages. What I like to do there is to use warm language for the first and last sentence (the call to action) and write “normally” (for me) in the center. The idea is that when people are skimming they’ll read the first sentence or parts of it and will react to it more with System 1 than 2 to decide whether they want to read the rest, and if they do decide to read the rest, then I can trust them to assess it by the merits of its content, maybe.
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Ruby
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Firstly, thanks for the post above! These are important questions to consider. I think your main point in your post is that the misperception of EAs as cold is preventing growth, and that's why we'd want to correct it. Habryka replied that what really matters is 'are we growing the EA ecosystem in the right way?'. In your response to him, you say that you argue for warmer language because it corrects a false perception of us and that it's a common point of criticism. But to reply to Habryka, a clearer argument is needed for saying why those things matter. It could be the case that we are warm, our language falsely makes us seem cold, but this isn't a problem because it doesn't adversely affect growing the EA ecosystem in a healthy way, even if there are people turned off by it. Also, it might not be practical or worthwhile to defend against every criticism based on misrepresentations. This critique might not even be the critic's true rejection of EA. Defend against that one, and they'll generate new critiques based on other distortions of who we are. Is this a critique in particular which we need to defend against because it's damaging us, worse than the next critique they'll focus on?

Thanks :)

I’m still thinking about what is the best public for effective altruism, what should be the size of the movement and so on. But the first thing that comes to mind based on many recent discussions is that we need more people doing Earning to Give and doing good Outreach. People that aren’t like us can also do those things really well, so It’s seems good to reach out to them using a language that is slightly different than the one we normally use.

We should never stop talking about rationality. It’s a really important component of effective altruism.... (read more)

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Dawn Drescher
9y
Yeah, “reason” might be an alternative for people that would understand rationality in an unintended (straw vulcan) way. “Prudence” maybe too, but it seems less specific.

:) I agree with this.

I was drawn to EA because of people that combine compassion and rationality. Brian Tomasik and David Pearce come to mind. They often speak warmly. Even when they don't, it’s easy to tell that they are moved by strong feelings of empathy.

We should keep talking about evidence and rationality with all the audiences, but I think that making an effort to transmit our feelings to the general public is important and useful. A lot of the things that we promote are unusual and counter-intuitive, so we can easily be misunderstood.

I think that so... (read more)

I need Karma to post :) Please gimme.

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Evan_Gaensbauer
9y
I'm here to vouch for Lucas. I've seen him around Facebook lots. He has been a helpful member of the EA self-help group, among other networks, for at least the last several months. He's been making great contributions for long enough that honestly I don't recall how long it's been. Anyway, I'm glad to see his article is up(?). I was thinking of talking to Kate Donovan or Julia Wise about how anything they've learned about conflict resolution strategies might be helpful for bridging gaps between moral values or perceptions of the state of a cause within effective altruism. So, I'm pleased Lucas has gone forward himself with introducing such ideas into effective altruism with his post on communication.

I wrote an article that is relevant to this topic and I want to post it. However, I'm new here and I don't have any karma points. Can you please give me five so I can post my article?

Thanks! :)