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Yup that seems pretty plausible! I think I'd put that as a part of the Airborne clutter/natural atmospheric phenomena clusters. Though I guess mass hysteria adds the important addition of better explaining non equipment-mediated human sightings.

I generally agree. Though for what it's worth it seems like it wouldn't be hard to block others from the territory while remaining in hiding. Presumably any blocking could take place by intercepting ships well before they reach earth. We would have a very hard time noticing something like that.

Apparently there's something like 7-8 million stars within 1000 light years so yeah, seems like there could have been some instructions sent. That said maybe life is super rare and only exists in 1 in a billion stars or 1 in a trillion. Then maybe any vNM probe would... (read more)

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I think I agree with you actually. I think what I wanted to get across was that we shouldn't have a strong prior against there being extraterrestrial craft on earth. To me the term strong prior feels pretty ambiguous so I just kind of threw it in there without thinking.

My intuition is that right now almost everyone has a strong prior against extraterrestrial craft being on earth in that they would assign a prior probability of like 0.01% or something. I think maybe our prior should be more like 5% that they're on earth. This would dramatically chan... (read more)

I think I agree (somewhat in contrast to what I said in the post) that I would expect vNM probes to take major action on finding a habitable planet. The fact that they are not taking action seems like the most damning critique of the theory.

It does seem like there are plenty of reasons they wouldn't do something noticeable though. E.g. curiosity about a non-threatening species, ethics, etc. Granted this seems extra unlikely if there are vNM probes from many different civilizations present.

As far as degradations I have no idea... Haven't though much about i... (read more)

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And there would be vNM probes from many different civilizations present, unless somehow they could coordinate to block others from their territory... all while remaining in hiding... Relatedly, even if they do await further instructions, why haven't we been terraformed yet? If awaiting further instructions takes only a thousand years, this theory still predicts with high confidence that either they haven't arrived yet or they have already terraformed us (and thus, updating on our observed lack of terraforming, they probably haven't arrived yet.) If it takes a billion years to get further instructions, then OK, but that's pretty darn implausible for reasons mentioned above. Also they'd have to await further instructions not just in this star system but in the entire light-cone; they can't convert Alpha Centauri into a Dyson swarm either because then Earthly astonomers would notice.