All of Hadrian's Comments + Replies

Thanks for your efforts here.  How likely do you think it is that the farm will succeed in creating a commercially viable product, apart from public pressure?  Sounds like there are significant biological and ecological barriers.

Also, unrelatedly, seems to me like octopus and squid would be relatively easier to create vegan alternatives to.  People mostly likely them for the texture, there isn't really a flavor.  But I know nothing about the science of alt protein.

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Tessa @ ALI
1y
Hi there, Hadrian. Thanks for your support and comment. Unfortunately, it appears as though the environmental permitting regarding this specific farm is being allowed to proceed. And if everything else is successful (building, funding, etc.) we expect operations to fully commence. However, our efforts will be directed towards a variety of stakeholders in order to try and approach this problem from several different angles.  Our friends at the Good Food Institute are spearheading the alternative protein space with their Sustainable Seafood Initiative to address critical challenges facing the plant-based and cultivated seafood sector if you'd like to take a look at their cell line repository proposal. This area of work is fascinating to me and certainly something we should keep in mind when advocating for alternatives. 

Thanks for this interesting tool.  I'd suggest that you suggest to submitters not to send compound statements in the section "What makes a good statement."  E.g., "It's really bad that EAs don't feel comfortable questioning longtermism. This points to deeper groupthink inside EA." If it's a premise-conclusion statement, you could also make clear that voters should pass unless they accept the premise.

Do you mean that FTX grantees should attempt to make the victims whole by paying the amount they received from FTX back to the estate, or that "EA" at large - so organizations and people with no relation to FTX, but who consider themselves "EA" - should do so?

Answer by HadrianNov 15, 202221
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What happens to those $500 mil shares depends almost entirely on Anthropic's governing documents, which are not public AFAICT.  It could be they are entirely non-voting class shares.  The FTX estate/bankruptcy trustee will try to liquidate them, i.e. will try to sell the shares.  Whether there are limitations on who they can sell the shares to also depends on Anthropic's governing documents.  I know Anthropic has some bespoke governance structure, but I don't know the specific terms.

From the little I know about Anthropic, getting anythi... (read more)

I think I agree with you in some cases, but can you explain why you think that way for all of the funds? Does it matter whether or not the money was actually spent by the recipient on the project that they received the grant to do? For example, if I received a grant to spend three months full time doing scientific research and publishing my findings to the public, and I quit my job to do this, should I be obligated to return the funds?  This is the circumstance of many of the people affected, including some of the people who commented here.

I do agree with you that if I received funding to do a particular project, and I haven't done that project and have no intention of doing it now, I should absolutely return the money.

I'm not Molly and I'm sure she'd know better than I, but I'm pretty confident that part of this post only applies to grantees who received their grant from one of the FTX entities that is now bankrupt - this is what she means by "the debtor group."

Essentially, if you received money from an FTX entity in the debtor group anytime on or after approximately August 11, 2022, the bankruptcy process will probably ask you, at some point, to pay all or part of that money back.

I'm not a bankruptcy lawyer, and I know how frustrating of an answer this is, but if the g... (read more)

The date would be Nov. 11, and I'm pretty confident it's 90 days, see 11 U.S.C. 547(b)(4), but Molly can correct me.  I think Aug. 11 may be a typo.

I just wanted to say I think your comments responding to a lot of the questions about the legal fallout are very helpful.  They balance emphasizing the uncertainty of the situation with being informative very well.

As Jason noted, this definitely happens and is allowed, see 11 U.S.C. 550(a)(2).  Some cases where this has happened are In re Laines, 352 B.R. 397 (Bankr. E.D. Va. 2005); In re Lindley, 121 B.R. 81 (Bankr. N.D. Okla. 1990); In re Crabtree, 49 B.R. 806 (Bankr. E.D. Tenn. 1985).

Was the entity that wrote you the grant in the debtor group?  That list is here, though note that reportedly it has some errors already.   If it is, then it will depend on when that entity transferred the grant to you.  If it is not, it gets very complicated and basically I'm not sure.

I will say - and this is absolutely not legal advice, etc., etc. - just because they can ask you to return the money doesn't mean they will.  If it was a trivial amount, it would be quite surprising.  Different bankruptcy lawyers have different approaches to something like this, though.

Re: 1, the Future Fund was a collection of various entities, grants were distributed from a variety of different entities.  Some came from FTX Foundation Inc.  It did not file for bankruptcy.  Assuming 1) the entity that wrote the grant did not file for bankruptcy, but 2) the money ultimately came from a now bankrupt entity, grantees may still be asked to return money.  This is because under 11 U.S.C.A. § 550(a)(2), the bankruptcy trustee can recover the transferred property - here, money in the form of a grant - from subsequent transfe... (read more)

Yes agreed the litigation potential could be much higher here, but depends very much on details we don't know yet and what's to come. Withdrawals continued to go forward and deposits are safe, the only significant damages so far it seems is the drop in FTT, but that keeps us in typical crypto-implosion territory, my understanding is trading volume in FTT is not high.

Also, this would only matter for SBF's wealth if they were able to go after him personally at this point assuming he is 100% out of FTX, which unless things were extremely shady and bad under the hood will not happen.  If they go after FTX (and sale goes through), that's Binance's problem now. 

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Sabs
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Withdrawals are definitely not going through on FTX itself - only on FTX US afaik.Very much doubt deposits on FTX itself are safe in the slightest - depositors there are basically 100% reliant on the Binance deal going through.

There have not actually been many exchanges that went under, but there's been lawsuits re: Luna and 3AC, the two other big crypto stories this year (this one trumps both by a long shot).  The only other example of a big exchange scandal I know is BitMEX , and while I don't know of any civil lawsuits the founders, one of them a major EA funder, were criminally indicted in the US.

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Sabs
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yeah the crypto lending platforms that went under, well, they lent badly. But an exchange is not supposed to be lending out customer funds at all! Ergo I think there's a lot more lawsuit potential. And ofc FTX is way bigger.  fwiw I think it's no better than a coinflip that CZ/Binance actually buys; it very much depends on just how big the hole in the FTX/Alameda balance sheet is.  When Full Tilt Poker went under and it turned out they also had not segregated customer funds, Pokerstars came in to make FTP depositors whole. But Pokerstars did this because they were getting kicked out of the US, wanted to come back to the US one day when regulations changed, and wanted to buy themselves some credit with US regulators by buying FTP and assuming its liabilities. But CZ/Binance have never really acted like the sort of people who  care all that much about what regulators think.

Could someone explain why we would expect Alameda to be solvent and have value, if a huge chunk of their assets were collateralized FTT (the story that triggered this)?  They would have been facing many margin calls right? ETA - Statement in post to which this was responsive I think has been removed.  But yeah if anyone thinks Alameda has any value, genuinely  interested in understanding

Thanks for sharing.  I'm hesitant about this post's thesis because I think conflating the aesthetic with the political is the reason why so many efforts at improving things failPeople end up supporting policy ideas based on empirical premises that are narratively compelling but wrong.  There are many examples, but blank slatism comes to mind.  Beyond empirical beliefs, there are broader concepts like tradition, individualism, or nationalism which IMO lack justification for being inherently good, but people have mood-affiliated themse... (read more)

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Étienne Fortier-Dubois
2y
I'd say that the aesthetics of any movement will exist at some level, and if they're unintentional, they are most likely to be fairly bad (or at least bland if not actively bad) and therefore not provide the benefits I outline.  High modernism is an interesting example — its architectural incarnation was deliberately avoiding highly-developed aesthetics (ornamentation etc.) and the resulting aesthetic is kind of a "default" that most people indeed find unappealing. That has clarified the moral worth of the ideology.  And while it's true that the philosophical movements you name have less defined aesthetics than, say, religions and some political ideologies, I think they all have a degree of intentional aesthetics to them, more so than EA does.

Re: this -

  • Q: Does this entail any financial risk?
  • A: No. As long as you only bet the bonus money and don't gamble your own funds, there's no way to end up with less than you started. I recommend making one bet on each site, then withdrawing your money and closing your accounts immediately after each bet ends.

I don't think this is accurate because most of these free bet offers require that you gamble your own funds to unlock the bonus (in VA, all but one require this - BetMGM, Barstool, and Unibet), and none of these sportsbooks lets you withdraw the bonus. ... (read more)

ETA: the T&C of the sportsbook promos I use as examples below have changed since I posted, so don't rely on this comment to figure out what the promos are/what the optimal strategy is

Just wanted to pipe up because I think this may not be clear to people reading this post — unless you fully hedge, this is not a risk-free opportunity, and if you are pursuing the recommended strategy in this post there’s a very good chance you will lose money.  I wanted to comment since I know at least three EA’s who have lost a couple thousand dollars taking advanta... (read more)

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Sam Anschell
2y
Thank you Vivian, you're absolutely right. I'll update the "qualifiers to participate" section to make this much clearer, especially for participants living in states with a small number of legalized online sports books. 
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Hi, Vivian, Thank you so much for writing to me! Yes, we did overlap! I graduated in 2016. Thank you so much for your support. That's awesome that you litigate and are interested in helping.  I will PM you. :-) Thank you so much! Alene