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Yes! Let's talk, Sanjay!!

To summarize: As partial owners of corporations, shareholders have some power to protect the corporation’s interests. For example, when an investigation revealed mistreatment of Costco’s birds, two shareholders stepped into Costco’s shoes and sued Costco’s executives for making the company violate state animal neglect laws.

Hi Everybody! 

Has anyone here done 'mission hedging' by investing in meat or egg companies?

If so, please reach out to me!! 

Legal Impact for Chickens has a unique opportunity for you to help animals! ❤️

Sincerely,

Alene & LIC 🐥⚖️

PS this post is nonprofit attorney advertising brought to you by Legal Impact for Chickens, 2108 N Street, # 5239, Sacramento CA 95816-5712. We represent our clients for FREE. We aren't trying to sell you anything. We just want your help. Learn more here.

PPS thank you @Lorenzo Buonanno for encouraging me to make a Quick... (read more)

Thank you so much for looking into this important moral issue. I know it's a really hard thing to analyze and talk about objectively in our polarized culture. <3 <3 <3 

JH writes, "The above assumptions imply that meat companies returns will be positively correlated with impact per dollar. So you should overweight these companies as a mission-correlated investment." 

Has anyone followed his advice?

If so, please reach out!

You may have a unique opportunity to help animals!

Learn more here: https://legalimpactforchickens.org/investors

Legal Impact for Chickens is an EA charity located at 2108 N Street, # 5239, Sacramento CA 95816-5712. This post is nonprofit attorney advertising. But we aren't looking for money. We represe... (read more)

Is there anyone here who actually does mission hedging, by investing in meat or egg companies? 

(CALM, JBS, TSN, etc.?)

If so, please reach out!

Legal Impact for Chickens is looking for people who own stock in meat or egg companies. Even one share or a fraction of a share can help. Current stockholders only. Learn more here.

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FINE PRINT:

Legal Impact for Chickens is a 501(c)(3) animal-welfare charity located at 2108 N Street, # 5239, Sacramento CA 95816-5712. We represent our clients for FREE, in order to help animals. This comment is Nonprofit Attorney A... (read more)

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Sanjay
1mo
Can you say any more about what you plan to do?

Hi Everybody! 

Did anyone take Hauke's advice and invest in "[c]orporations that . . . sell . . . factory farmed meat"? 

If so, please reach out to me!! 

Legal Impact for Chickens has a unique opportunity for you to help animals! ❤️

Sincerely,

Alene & LIC 🐥⚖️

PS this post is nonprofit attorney advertising brought to you by Legal Impact for Chickens, 2108 N Street, # 5239, Sacramento CA 95816-5712. We represent our clients for FREE. We aren't trying to sell you anything. We just want your help. Learn more here.

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Lorenzo Buonanno
1mo
Hi alene! I think very few people will see this comment on a post from 6 years ago. You might have more luck posting this as a quick take (on the homepage, below the posts)  

Thank you for writing this, Luke!!!

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Luke Dawes
2mo
You're welcome, thanks for taking the time to read it! 
Answer by aleneJan 31, 20242
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Legal Impact for Chickens is hiring an Operations Specialist!

 

https://www.legalimpactforchickens.org/operations

 

We’re looking for a passionate and hard-working Operations Specialist to join us as we continue to grow our nonprofit and fight for animals. This is a new position, and you will have the ability to influence our operations and play an important role in our work.

The responsibilities of this position are varied, covering operational, administrative, and paralegal work, and we will consider a variety of candidates and experiences. Therefor... (read more)

Answer by aleneNov 16, 202325
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Hii!  Thank you so much for this question!  :-)

Legal Impact for Chickens would use additional funding by hiring our first administrative employee, so the three lawyers on staff can dedicate our time more fully to litigation!

Legal Impact for Chickens is a litigation nonprofit dedicated to making factory-farm  cruelty a liability: http://legalimpactforchickens.org/.  We sue companies that abuse animals on factory farms and in slaughterhouses.

We are hoping to raise $204,000 by the end of the year, to allow us to expand our capacity.

And we ... (read more)

As a lawyer who has worked many years in legal offices with inadequate admin staffing, I would underscore how important having sufficient admin support is to lawyer productivity!

Thank you so much for thinking this through and posting this.  It makes a lot of sense, and it's concerning.

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Jim Buhler
9mo
Thanks a lot, Alene! That's motivating :)

Thank you for your support Eli!  I think derivative suits definitely are still a strong vehicle to protect animals.  Neither the court nor the defendants said anything that would cause us to become less bullish on derivative suits.  And the court agreed that the board members had knowledge of Costco's treatment of animals, which was one of the things we were trying to prove in order to show why this is the board's responsibility and thus why a derivative suit is appropriate.  Unfortunately, however, the court didn't agree that we had sh... (read more)

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Eli Barrish
9mo
Thank you Alene! Happy to chat offline if it's ever helpful to you or LIC.

Thank you so much Constance!

Yeah it stinks.  The judge just ruled from the bench—He didn't author a written opinion.

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Fai
1y
Yikes

Thank you so much, Guy!!  Sadly, the judge dismissed the Costco lawsuit.  :-(  

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Eli Barrish
10mo
Oh no! I think it would be good to write a short postmortem about what LIC learned from this experience. For example, do you think derivative suits are simply not the right vehicle for this kind of action, or is there still potential there?
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Guy Raveh
1y
I'm really sad to hear that! Is the court's decision available somewhere?

Excited and grateful for your work!!!!

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Dr Faraz Harsini
11mo
Thanks Alene! I'm honored that you're a part of our team! 

Just replying, very belatedly, to say:  You're amazing.

Cullen, just commenting very belatedly to say:  You're a God.

I know this is CRAZY belated, but I just wanted to thank you for the shout out to Legal Impact for Chickens! ❤️🐥 (Seeing our name in a recent EA Forum post made me wonder if we had ever been mentioned in past EA Forum posts which I missed.  So I checked and found this!!!)

One of them is and one of them isn’t!

Yeah it could totally be a startup thing. :-)

Super glad that One Step exists. It’s really scary to think about people switching from beef to chicken. ❤️🐥

Answer by aleneMay 18, 202310
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Dear Brian,

Thank you so much for using Legal Impact for Chickens as your example!!!! It’s an honor. Reading our name here made me so surprised and happy!!!

Thank you, also, for appreciating our desire to focus specifically on reducing suffering.

To address your question:

In my limited experience, starting a new nonprofit over the past two years, I haven’t personally noticed much funging.

To me, it generally seems like the opposite happens—the more we fundraise, the easier it is for us to fundraise.

It seems like many grantors want to see that a nonprofit has ... (read more)

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Brian_Tomasik
1y
I'm honored that you're honored. :) Thanks for the work you do and for your answer here! Are those EA grantors? Or maybe you prefer not to say. That makes sense about how more donors helps with fundraising. I wonder if that's more true for a startup charity that has to demonstrate its legitimacy, while for a larger and more established charity, maybe it could go the other way?

Congratulations Robert!! This is so needed! Animals suffer a TON in the food industry. But that’s not something anyone wants. Businesses need options for how to treat animals better in a way that is also good for their bottom line. Go Robert!!

Thank you for writing this. This is awesome.

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Bob Fischer
1y
Appreciate the support!

That’s a great point about mass having a double meaning! I hadn’t thought of that!

Thanks Emre!

Thank you so much for writing this, Ishaan!!!! You are amazing!!! 

Answer by aleneSep 30, 20229
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Thank you so much for asking this question, @smountjoy!

Wanted to put in a pitch for Legal Impact for Chickens.

Legal Impact for Chickens would be extremely honored and excited if any  donor were to consider us for a gift of any size! And I believe the money would go a long way in terms of expected value to reduce suffering.

We're an EA-aligned litigation start-up dedicated to making factory-farm cruelty a liability. 

LIC filed our first lawsuit a few months ago: A widely publicized shareholder-derivative case against Costco's executives for neglecti... (read more)

I was so excited to see the title of this winning cause proposal! 

And then I was so surprised to see that the reasoning focused on the concern that pesticides may, unintentionally, harm people

I love the idea of fighting pesticide use! And I love it for a totally different reason:

It seems to me that fighting pesticides could help quadrillions of insects and other animals. 

While I'm not a scientist, it seems to me that insects probably have feelings. I'm getting this idea from three things:  (1) First, the insect-related pop-sci news ar... (read more)

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Ben Stewart
2y
Thanks alene! These are interesting points and are important to think about. I agree there's a decent chance that insects are sentient (maybe 0.1 to 20% range with extreme uncertainty, and variance depending on which specific species we are talking about). The best source I know on this is Rethink Priorities' report, with exhaustive results here, and the bottom line opinion of each author summarised here. The number of insects and potential for suffering is gravely concerning. However, I don't think that justifies a complete opposition to pesticide use. Pesticides are extremely useful and valuable for feeding more humans and reducing the amount of land needed for crops. Washuck et al. (2022) analysed studies of pesticide use in the U.S. and Canada 2015-2019. They calculated that pesticides preserved millions of hectares of habitats and fed millions more humans (table below). But there's a deep discussion about ecology, climate change, food systems, agriculture, wild animal welfare and much else that besides that complicates the above; I really don't know.  As well as  the large benefits of pesticides, the other reason I would tentatively oppose a blanket ban is tractability. Regulating organophosphates is already difficult; trying to ban all pesticides would be extremely difficult politically, with profound opposition by industry and agriculture. Especially if the main benefits of such a ban were based on insect suffering. I think there's a middle way though, following the lead of the wild animal welfare ideas I've heard. That idea would be to try to guide farmers/governments/industry to pesticides that cause less suffering as they move away from organophosphates. I would need to read and think a lot more about this to figure out my own views, but this report by the Wild Animal Initiative looks promising. Interestingly, they note a possibility that organophosphates are a (relatively) more humane class because they are faster acting. Non-pesticide based methods

I agree so much with this post. Thank you for saying this!!!

This is super thoughtful and thorough. Thank you so much!

Thank you for bringing up some of these important issues that are hard to talk about, Matt.

JP, that article was hilarious! 

The plaintiffs in this lawsuit are suing on behalf of Costco, derivatively. They want what is best for Costco. And what's best for any company is to follow the law.

I'm not sure if that answers the question but hopefully it does!

Answer by aleneMay 29, 202229
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Legal Impact for Chickens is a litigation nonprofit. Our goal is to make factory-farm cruelty a liability. And we're hiring a litigation attorney

Upvoting this post even though it doesn't criticize EA. :-)

Looking at your charts, I find it really interesting to see the trend in animal welfare posts over time. As you summarize it: "The percentage of posts on animal welfare peaked in 2018-19 and has since decreased somewhat."

I've heard concerns from other animal-focused EAs that the EA movement feels like it is starting to de-emphasize animals.  And that worried me. But these charts make me feel better.

Your analysis does validates peoples'  perception that the EA movement feels like it has re... (read more)

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