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If indeed FLI does regularly reject grants at due diligence stage, that would update me towards thinking nothing went too badly with this particular grant

The FLI FAQ does say this:

...  4) [Inform the grantee of our intention to issue a grant] is done via an informal email, but in some cases (including this one), the grantee requested a letter of intent.

This could be much reduced with a parent working from home 

I think the pandemic has shown this isn't the case. As an example in my company everyone has been WFH since March 2020 and my colleagues who are parents have been working evenings and nights, and were the first to get furloughed (at their request) so they can take care of their small children.

It seems to me Greg was talking about school-age children where I think having a WFH parent will often be sufficient. I agree having a WFH parent for small children isn't much help, as taking care of them is usually a full-time job on its own.

That said, most of the childcare cost in the UK does seem to come from the first few years (as it is a full-time job) and not from when children are school-age.

Random thought: (factory farm) animal welfare issues will likely eventually be solved by cultured (lab grown) meat when it becomes cheaper than growing actual animals. This may take a few decades, but social change might take even longer. The article even suggests technical issues may be easier to solve, so why not focus more on that (rather than on MCE)?

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Jacy
6y
I just took it as an assumption in this post that we're focusing on the far future, since I think basically all the theoretical arguments for/against that have been made elsewhere. Here's a good article on it. I personally mostly focus on the far future, though not overwhelmingly so. I'm at something like 80% far future, 20% near-term considerations for my cause prioritization decisions. To clarify, the post isn't talking about ending factory farming. And I don't think anyone in the EA community thinks we should try to end factory farming without technology as an important component. Though I think there are good reasons for EAs to focus on the social change component, e.g. there is less for-profit interest in that component (most of the tech money is from for-profit companies, so it's less neglected in this sense).

Could you provide any links to clinical trials that show coherence therapy to be effective compared to other therapies?

'I will try to notice, feel bad/ disapproving, and do something about an EA meeting with over 80% white, male, tech, etc.'

This will only work if you get the 80% to have a preference for more diversity first (as explained in the Parable of the Polygons), otherwise it will be ineffective even if you are pushing for more diversity from the top.

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Andaro
6y
To be clear, I don't think individual antinatalism is much of a solution, because of global replaceability. However, these crucial considerations are rarely considered by those who openly push for active x-risk reduction. In comparison, someone who eats meat out of self-interest does not have to donate financial or political capital to factory-farming-maximization efforts. Similary, someone who is individually interested in children - or even in violence, sadism, etc. - does not have to believe that supporting anti-extinction shelters is a moral idea. There are several dimensions in this. One is a deontological: Do we really want to rationalize increasing the total number and severity of rape and torture victims because other entities will experience pleasure? This is central to the x-risk reduction narrative. But another one is of course the doubtful question of whether there actually will be enough pleasure/happiness to justify those additional rapes, tortures etc. Yet another third question would be if x-risk reduction efforts justify the opportunity cost in not doing other things, such as actually maximizing pleasure, minimizing pain, or what the OP is trying to accomplish about sexual violence. Have the x-risk reduction people ever considered any optimization of anything other than spamming civilization throughout the reachable universe? It is very rarely even considered as a possibility.

Is there any personality research on this?

Doesn't personality psychology use the BIg Five instead of Myers Briggs? AFAIK there isn't enough research to determine the validity and usefulness of the 'thinking' / 'feeling' categories (and Myers Briggs in general).

I'm a Canadian currently studying public policy in London. I'm planning to write my dissertation on AI policy and gender, so naturally I'm fascinated by your organization.

Out of curiosity, what is the connection between AI policy and gender you're looking at?

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Kirsten
6y
I'm tentatively planning to look at the government's role in regards to AI that is discriminating or perceived to be discriminating based on sex. For example, if an AI system was only short-listing men for top jobs, should the government respond with regulation, make it easier for offended parties to challenge in court, try to provide incentives for the company to improve their technology, or something else entirely? I just started my MA a month ago, though, and won't be seriously focusing on my dissertation until May, so I will have a much better idea in six months. :)

But by letting everyone know about the problem, they've also made it in to a bigger problem: now every woman who reads this post knows that someone, at one point in an EA-related discussion somewhere, made this outrageous claim--which results in those women feeling less welcome and more on edge. The toxic echo of this person's post continues to reverberate as it is held up as part of a broader trend within EA, even though their post itself was long ago deleted.

This can get very dangerous as it opens a door for trolls to negatively impact the community and potentially damage its reputation. Maybe these kinds of discussions need to be gated in some way, or be had offline or something.

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Kelly_Witwicki
6y
Risk does come with greater publicity of such behavior, but that's part of the point of making it more public (in addition to the information value for people who want to avoid or address it). This is the first I've ever publicly said something about these issues in EA, after three years of many private conversations that seem to have resulted in limited or no impact. Greater publicity means greater accountability and motivation for action, both for the people who behave poorly and the people who let them do so without consequence.

I'd like to point out that the main post is written in a somewhat "culture war"-y style, which is why it has attracted so many comments/criticisms (and within 3 days it already has more comments than any other thread one these forums, ever, as far as I can tell). Here's a somewhat similar thread that makes some good suggestions about diversity without getting too much into politics: http://effective-altruism.com/ea/mp/pitfalls_in_diversity_outreach/ (also take a look at the top comment).

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Chris Leong
6y
Yeah, the original post was much more culture war-y, but fortunately Kelly edited it to make it less so.

All these threads are framed in a very non-"culture war"-y style, and there is little disagreement or criticism expressed in the comments, which is why they feel inconspicuous. This one, on the other hand, has already amassed 200+ comments within 3 days, which is more than any other thread on this forum, as far as I can tell (the only one that gets anywhere close is an II/Gleb drama thread).