All of CatGoddess's Comments + Replies

I think this article paints a fairly misleading picture, in a way that's difficult for me to not construe as deliberate. 

It doesn't provide dates for most of the incidents it describes, despite that many of them happened many years ago, and thereby seems to imply that all the bad stuff brought up is ongoing.  To my knowledge, no MIRI researcher has had a psychotic break in ~a decade. Brent Dill is banned from entering the group house I live in. I was told by a friend that Michael Vassar (the person who followed Sonia Joseph home and slept on her ... (read more)

With the exception of Brent, who is fully ostracized afaik, I think you seriously understate how much support these abusers still have. My model is sadly that a decent number of important rationalists and EAs just dont care that much about the sort of behavior in the article. CFAR investigated Brent and stood by him until there was public outcry! I will repost what Anna Salomon wrote a year ago, long after his misdeeds were well known. Lots of people have been updating TOWARD Vassar:

I hereby apologize for the role I played in X's ostracism from the communi

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was told by a friend that Michael Vassar is barred from Slate Star Codex meetups. 

He was banned, but still managed to slip through the cracks enough to be invited to an SSC online meetup in 2020.  (To be very clear, this was not organised or endorsed by Scott alexander, who did ban Vasser from his events). 

You can read the  mea culpa from the organiser here.  It really looks to me like Vasser has been treated with a missing stair approach until very recently, where those in the know quietly disinvite him to things but others, even ... (read more)

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To my knowledge, no MIRI researcher has had a psychotic break in ~a decade

It's worth noting that the article was explicit that ex-MIRI researcher Jessica Taylor's psychotic break was in 2017:

In 2017 she was hospitalized for three weeks with delusions that she was “intrinsically evil” and “had destroyed significant parts of the world with my demonic powers,” she wrote in her post.

She also alleged in December 2021 that at least two other MIRI employees had experienced psychosis in the past few years: 

At least two former MIRI employees who were not signi

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Jason
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It's unsurprising that the people who were willing to allow Bloomberg to print their names or identifying information about the wrongdoers were associated with situations where the community has rallied against the wrongdoer. It's also unsurprising that those who were met with criticism, retailation, and other efforts to protect the wrongdoer were not willing to allow publication of potentially identifying information. Therefore, I don't think it's warranted to draw inferences about community response in the cases without identifying information based on t... (read more)

Someone on the LessWrong crosspost linked this relevant thing: https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/09/16/cardiologists-and-chinese-robbers/ 

I would be interested in a Zoom discussion.

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Jeremy
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Noted. I think I will hold off on the Zoom thing for the first post or two so I can focus on getting them right. I will put a note in each post about signing up for Zooms once I am doing them. I am considering how to handle it (encouraging others to organize Zooms?) if there are more than ~5 people interested. 

I like this pitch outline; it's straightforward, intuitive, and does a good job of explaining the core ideas. If this were to actually be delivered as a pitch I would suggest putting more focus on cognitive biases that lead to inaction (e.g. the human tendency to disbelieve that interesting/unusual/terrible things will happen in one's own lifetime, or the implicit self-concept of not being the "sort of person" who does important/impactful things in the world). These are the sorts of things that people don't bring up because they're unconscious beliefs, but... (read more)

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Neel Nanda
2y
Thanks for the thoughts! Definitely agreed that this could be compelling for some people. IMO this works best on people whose crux is "if this was actually such a big deal, why isn't it common knowledge? Given that it's not common knowledge, this is too weird for me and I am probably missing something".  I mostly make this argument in practice by talking about COVID - IMO COVID clearly demonstrates basically all of these biases with different ways that we under-prepared and bungled the response.

I would also be interested. I haven't read very many LW articles and I don't know very many people here, so it would be nice to get caught up in the context of a discussion.

Great post! As a tofu enthusiast myself this is pretty exciting on a personal level. That being said, you did ask for concerns/criticism, so:

If our goal is to create new foods, the best people to do so are restaurant chefs. 

I'm not sure that this is true. Americans are well-known for eating out often, but what's the actual frequency? I wasn't able to find a reliable survey with some cursory googling, but from personal experience and what I did see (for instance, this) it seems like getting a majority of meals from eating out is rare. In this case, per... (read more)

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George Stiffman
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 Thanks for all your pointers! You're definitely right here. Food expenditures at and away from home are pretty split, but given that the cost of eating out is higher, people eat more meals at home. The reason I think it might make sense to focus first on food service is less about end strategy and more about the sequence. Since chefs can better control UX, restaurantgoers are more likely to be impressed by rare tofus than folks cooking it for themselves. First impressions seem really important here. Besides taste, it's also easier to get products into food service distribution channels than retail. That said, once we have better home cook-friendly use cases for these ingredients, and sufficient consumer demand, growth would come from retail. My intuition is that this would translate - if a few chefs could make rare tofus "sexy", then that would have ripple effects, leading other chefs and food bloggers to also experiment. It seems harder to make ingredients sexy from the blogger side, without the ingredient devolving into a fad. I could be wrong, though. Thank you for offering! I'd love to connect. I'll shoot you a Forum message :)  

Thanks for pointing me in the direction of these resources! I just signed up for the Alignment Newsletter.

As a note, the AN link you posted actually doesn't work, though I was able to figure it out with my fabulous tech skills (the URL has a ] at the end). Here's a working link, for posterity.

Hello, my name is [name redacted] and I'm a new member here. Or, more accurately, I've been here for a little over a month but I haven't introduced myself yet because writing on a public forum is mildly anxiety-inducing for me. However, I have lately been attempting to become better at things I'm bad at by doing things that make me uncomfortable; this has included applying for an internship at Redwood Research despite not feeling terribly qualified, spending an afternoon using food to entice college students into discussing the merits of not eating meat de... (read more)

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Chris Leong
2y
Welcome to the forum! I recommend signing up here to be informed about the next round of the AGI Safety Fundamentals course. If you don't get accepted the first time, it's worth applying down the line as they seem to be increasing the number of people that they accept in every iteration (I didn't get in the first time). You might also want to consider booking a call with AI Safety Support or applying to speak to 80,000 hours.
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Aaron Gertler
2y
Welcome to the Forum! This is a great introduction :-) If you don't subscribe to the Alignment Newsletter, that seems like a good way to get regular updates on steps you can take. The EA and Open Philanthropy newsletters also feature related opportunities from time to time, though I'm not sure how much they catch that the AN misses.