I'm passionate about improving our food system and have been working at ProVeg since 2017. I organise Berlin's Effective Animal Advocacy community and donate the equivalent of one monthly salary each year to high-impact charities in food system change, AI safety and EA field building. My academic background is in theoretical physics and business management, and I'm very enthusiastic about nutrition science.
Thanks for writing this! This really resonated with me, and I agree that we would benefit a lot from using the V-word much less in many, if not most, contexts.
There are a few contexts, though, where I would still want to use it. One is when eating out, where saying that you are vegan or want a vegan meal communicates a clear dietary requirement very efficiently. Another is in the context of nutrition science, where vegan diets can be a relevant and distinct category, although that is admittedly a more niche use case.
More generally, I think the word is much more likely to be problematic when it is used to categorise a person than when it describes a food, meal, restaurant, etc.
But overall, I agree that tabooing the word in many of the contexts you describe could help create a much more welcoming. :)
Thanks for your comment! Yes, helping vegans be more tolerant of non-vegan allies is certainly one of the intentions behind this post. :)
I also think you raise an important point and I do touch on this to some extent in the following footnote:
A clear principle like "don't eat animals" can be a useful heuristic that guides behaviour and makes the underlying moral values more salient. This could be described as reducing speciesism, or more broadly as increasing moral concern for animals. At the same time, because such a principle asks for all or nothing, it may also push some people away.
That said, my impression is that a meaningful proportion of non-vegans genuinely care about farmed animals having good lives, even if they don't question the norm of eating animals itself. At the same time, I agree it does seem comparatively rare for that concern to translate into activism without a vegan identity.
Thanks for the feedback! I agree that any such graphic inevitably risks conveying more confidence than is warranted. At the same time, I felt it was important to visualise the framework, as I think it becomes much less intuitive if left purely abstract. That was a trade-off I consciously made. As I mention in the footnote:
I'm not sure there's a perfect solution here, but this felt like the best compromise to me.
Thanks for sharing this! The Balluch curve is very much aligned with how I think about effort, and I like that he explores in depth how advocacy can reshape the landscape over time, thereby effectively changing our empirical assumptions. I especially like the visual intuition of people "rolling" towards the local minimum. A very elegant way of thinking about the curves. :)
The only point I'd qualify is the assumption that a balanced mixed diet and a vegan diet are roughly equally healthy. I discuss this in a bit more detail in the section on health risk:
For that reason, I think health risk may be just as decisive as effort, depending on how people weight the different objectives.
Thanks! I actually intended culinary enjoyment to be incorporated into the model already. As I write in the Effort section:
So the idea is that giving up culinary enjoyment makes a diet more costly, i.e. more effortful. I decided to include it this way because, like the other factors grouped under effort, I think it tends to have a U-shaped relationship with the proportion of animal-based foods in the diet, making it natural to combine them into a single curve. It also makes the optimisation framework mathematically more elegant by treating all of these as costs to be minimised.
Thanks, these are all good points.
First, I want to emphasise that the curves are highly contestable. My goal isn't to argue that these particular curves are correct, but rather to encourage readers to think explicitly about what their own curves would look like.
That said, here are my thoughts on your specific points:
Hope this is helpful!
Thanks, I really appreciate you sharing your perspective! I've mostly thought about the signalling benefits of pledges so far, not so much the potential downsides. But I can see how that might play out in some contexts.
Congrats on the recent pledge! :)
I agree that the flexibility to choose which charities to support makes the pledge feel much less constraining. At the same time, there is still a lock-in in committing to giving itself and to a fixed share of income.
That said, it's great to hear the current framing worked well for you. My impression is just that different people respond to different approaches to commitment, and I think the 10% pledge is the most aspirational option for some but not for everyone.
Good question, thanks for bringing this up!
A few thoughts come to mind:
Overall though, for the goals they are pursuing and the people they are trying to reach, their framing seems very sensible to me.
Thanks a lot for your comment and for taking the time to run the numbers. :)
A few thoughts in response to your points:
Hope this is helpful!