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I'm similar in some aspects: There are some things I find so boring or difficult to do that I need external accountability to do them.

In these cases, however, I wouldn't use the stakeholder to hold me accountable, but rather a colleague, friend, or other mechanism. 

In fact, there are some instances where you want to be ambitious and say you'll do more than you think you do, e.g. when setting goals for yourself. However, I think that can backfire if you do it with a stakeholder.

Does that make sense?

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Jeroen Willems
4mo
I was going to make the same comment as Dominic. This is a great tip! Overpromise with friends, underpromise with stakeholders.
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dominicroser
4mo
Thanks, that is a word of wisdom. I'll have to practice this!

So great that you've revamped the site!!

Two heads up:

  • The feedback link in this post doesn't work. 
  • This url that's linked to in the resources also doesn't work.
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Sam Robinson
6mo
Hi Eirine, thank you for this! We've updated the link in this post; however, we cannot seem to find the second URL. If you let us know where that link was located it can amended asap! Thank you again for flagging. 
Answer by eirineSep 26, 20233
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Using physical kanban boards.

I learned about kanban boards at EA NTNU during my undergrad, and it greatly improved my productivity in my studies. It's a physical task management system using a board (or just a wall) and post-its. It involves writing down all your tasks for the day on post-its (one task per post-it) and then moving each post-it between three different columns: 

  • To-do – this is a backlog of tasks where you place all your post-its at the start of the day, ideally prioritised by importance. 
  • Doing – this is whatever task you're doing a
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Answer by eirineSep 26, 20233
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Co-working with others.

This works so well that I sometimes don't want to do it because I know it will work.

Doing online pomodors (25 min working, 5 min break) is basically how I got through the pandemic without a huge hit to my productivity. Back then, I benefitted from co-working the whole day. Now, it's only counterfactually beneficial for a few hours each day or week, so I only do it a few times. 

Answer by eirineSep 26, 20233
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Peer-mentoring and coaching calls.

I'm not sure if this has made me work harder, but it's definitely helped me work better. There are two types of mentoring calls I've tried and found helpful:

  1. Coaching calls with someone more experienced. These have been really useful for learning about best practices and getting external input from someone who has experience with the types of issues I'm experiencing at work. For example, I first learned about situational leadership in one of these coaching calls, and that greatly changed how I did management and h
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Answer by eirineSep 26, 20234
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Frequently asking for feedback.

I realised a while back that if I don't know whether I'm doing a good or poor job, it increases the number of tasks I find ughy and how much I procrastinate. 

To help with this, I've included a prompt in our weekly meeting templates at work to give each other feedback or "half-baked thoughts" at every meeting. We have performance reviews every 6 months, and I'll very often feel a boost in motivation and productivity after those. I also have a document bookmarked in my browser called "Feeling down?" with a checklist for what to do when I'm feeling particularly low mood, and asking for positive feedback is on that list.

Answer by eirineSep 26, 20233
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Regular productivity check-ins.

The past 1-2 years I've had a 30-minute productivity check-in with the same person every week. These have increased my productivity on average, and because of them I very rarely have more than half an unproductive week.

Sometimes, the thing that helps most is just writing down what I'm thinking about, and figuring out a solution myself by writing. Other times, it's the other person asking questions like "How important is it?” and “What would you tell someone else in your position to do?”.

Answer by eirineSep 26, 20234
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Frequently change and adapt the methods I use to be productive. 

How productive I am changes substantially throughout the day, but also throughout the month. I think of myself as three colleagues: "Morning Eirin" who is decisive and internally motivated, "Afternoon Eirin" who needs a lot of productivity tools to stay on task, and "Evening Eirin" who enjoys deep work. They all need different tools, systems, and sources of motivation. 

I'll also reliably have some days each month when I feel negative about everything and will have low motivation, sel... (read more)

I did consider calling it "four coping mechanisms if you're lonely at work" 🙃

I used to work at EA Norway, which is a fee-paying membership society, and thought it might be useful to share more on how our funding worked. This is just meant as an example, and not as an argument for or against membership societies. (Here's a longer comment explaining how we organise things at EA Norway.)

I can't speak to EA Norway's current situation, as I no longer have any position at EA Norway (other than being a paying member). However, I can say what it was like in 2018-2021 when I was Executive Director (ED). The total income from the membership ... (read more)

This is a tangent, but I thought I'd say a bit more about how we've done things at EA Norway, as some people might not know. This is not meant as an argument in any direction.

Every year, we have a general assembly for members of EA Norway. To be a member, you need to have paid the yearly membership fee (either to EA Norway or one of the approved student groups). The total income from the membership fee covers roughly the costs of organising the general assembly. The importance of the membership fee is mainly that it's a bar of entry to the organisation, ma... (read more)

Really love this, and definitely think you're on to something - thanks for posting! I'd also add that if there are certain things that you don't enjoy or find aversive, you should consider looking for co-organisers who find the those things fun and rewarding. Like with startups, you should generally be two instead of one. And for a lot of people, it's also more fun to do things together than alone.

Answer by eirineMay 22, 20218
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I'm grateful you've asked this question, as I've been really curious about this myself and have considered asking the same question. I know I should be careful when comparing myself with others, but I only have experience from one organisation where I have also been in charge of deciding number of hours we should work and how to track it. It feels nice to know that what I've been doing isn't totally off.

Here's what we do at our ~3 year old organisation with 3-4 employees: We use Toggl for tracking hours we actually work and a separate spreadsheet to track ... (read more)

Thanks for sharing, this is great! I found it particularly useful to read how many hours you spend on each activity and the objectives and key results you've planned for 2020.

I was a bit surprised that you've used a quarter (250/932 hours) of your time on personally learning directly related to EA. How much do you think the hours you spent on learning have contributed to the positive outcomes of EA Toronto? You wrote "Finally, without independent learning, another wild guess seems to say that the other two thirds of EATO's strategy updates and insights wou

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ColinBested
4y
Hi Eirin! I appreciate your comment. Yes, I naturally spend quite a bit of time reading newsletter articles, EA forum posts, books, and other resources that I find interesting and that relate to EA community building (plus, one gets enough reading recommendations at one EA global or EA retreat to last a year, it seems). If I had to give a better account of this relationship between my learning and EA Toronto's outcomes, I'd still be quite anchored to saying that somewhere between one third and half of new suggestions and action-updates that I have for the group result from the learning that I do, e.g. an 80k article prompts me to talk about policy careers in a new way in a one-on-one or reading part of "Managing to Change the World" prompts me to think about accountability different in terms of following up with EATO group member action items. I think that more reflection brings out more direct connections between the learning, my actions, and the community outcomes. In the report, when I say "strategy updates and insights", I am referring to what I think is a moving, shifting, dynamic, iterative process that goes into how I prioritize what I work on. A lot of the year was about experimentation with more focus on project meetings or one-on-ones and then presenting those experiments back to the community at group planning meetings. The learning itself was not normally planned out in advance to involve much strategy and evaluation, as those were two of the many interests I was more heavily drawn to. Much of the learning is me trying to embrace my curiosity and channel it towards EA where it can hopefully do good instead of just fizzling out in all directions. Indeed, re AMF, I echo that excitement. I'm very happy about the more concrete good done through donations, though I didn't have too much to do with that besides a bit of maintenance. (We have some wonderful members who have been living EA values for many years). And now, you have gotten me to be a little more

Thanks for your feedback! We have ended up going for a 4-7 day camp for people with 1-2 years of experience. I've noted down your ideas for a future iteration of the camp.

And thanks for your offer! You've been very helpful so far, and it would be great to discuss more at a later time.

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Aisha_Khan
5y
Hi Eirin, I am always happy to help where (& if) I can! Otherwise, absolutely make sure to post updates and learnings from the camp, I’m sure it will be insightful and a great exercise in community strengthening and team building. Best of luck!

Thanks for explaining! I wasn't familiar with the term, but I feel like I know understand better what it entails and the different ways it could look like.

Thanks again for taking the time to comment! We've noted down all your points, and found especially the one about signalling fit and thoughts on the role of national/local groups very interesting and valuable.

Thank you for your comments! You've particularly made us think about the length of camp for the first group. We're now leaning towards something between 5-10 days. Your comment about potential risks is also greatly appreciated, and we will think carefully about how much we will make public moving forward.

Thank you so much for your comment! I really appreciate that you've taken the time to be so thorough. I also appreciate how structured your comment is, and it makes it easy to follow. You bring up a lot of new points that we haven't thought about before, and have made us think more about how we can better cooperate with MBA/ business graduates and HR managers. I also found your list of certificates particularly useful. I was wondering, could you explain more about what you call 'partnership streams'?

A few days ago we published another ... (read more)

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Aisha_Khan
5y
Hi Eirin, I’m happy there were relevant points to add to the conversation! To respond to your query: Partnership Streams ‘Partnership Streams’ is a rather generic term which is applicable across many areas and types of businesses & institutions. A partnership stream will be entirely specific to each partnership and have a purpose. This includes understanding of what each partner gives and receives from each other - and most importantly, why. Some companies are well versed in developing partnerships and have a whole process in researching & developing new and existing partnership streams - be aware, a partnership needs to values match. It’s good to consider all partnership streams of worth to be long-term investments in relationship building (like a marriage). Current EA Movement Weak to Strong Partnership Streams | Universities Allowing On-Campus Hosting of EA Events In the case of the EA movement, I understand the undergraduate and university weak-partnership stream development comes from EA hosting information sessions, talks & events on campus in order to raise awareness of the movement and grow membership / interactions from the collegiate body. This weak-partnership stream could be developed further into a strong / specific partnership within specific departments of universities as well as in direct communications with the office of Vice-Chancellor etc. with the following goals: - Continuing to build EA awareness and membership growth within the student body. - Raise awareness of EA in the university administration, alumni and executive bodies in order to; 1) Bring in membership, donations / work to give - from university employees. 2) Expose the EA movement to the business partners and donors of a given university. 3) Build a partnership with alumni donors & build out EA presence at alumni events. 4) Bring the EA movement to mind during an alumni's career transition. Disclaimer: I don’t know the details of how well connected the EA movement is w

This is very cool! Exciting results. We'll definitely look into doing something similar in Norway. Thanks for writing this up and sharing.

Just to check, does this link work for you? http://hexaco.org/hexaco-online

(Edit) Ah, sorry. So you don't get the results from the website?

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Moses
5y
Yes, I don't. The result page is broken (the previous pages work fine).

Interesting, do you think there are ways to practice or increase value-alignment/good judgment? For example by doing an internship at the organisation in question? Or having a practice period either at the organisation, or through a training programme organised by someone else?

I think this hypothesis is similar to the points made by 80k in their post on why although EA orgs really value their previous hires, especially in operations, there is still a large talent gap. It seems like part of the constraint has to do with the organisations' ability hire new people. We're also really interested in finding ways to reduce the constraint on EA orgs by seeing how we can reduce organisational costs through, for example, contributing to the filtering process or providing strong signals about a person. This is something we want t... (read more)

Hi! Hope your meeting today goes well. I agree with Michal at the Local Effective Altruism Network (LEAN) and Alex at the Centre for Effective Altruism (CEA), and think those two groups are the best to reach out to.

I'm from EA Norway, and I think it would be exciting to set up a call to introduce ourselves and see if we can help at all. I think just saying hi and explaining what we're doing in Norway and hearing what you're doing in the Philippines could be useful. Email me at eirin@effektivaltruisme.no if you'd like to set up a call.

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Jeffrey
5y
www.facebook.com/EffectiveAltruismPhillipines
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Jeffrey
5y
Hi Eirin, the event goes very well with some friends and invites. Yes, It would be more exciting if we help each other's chapter. I will tell to my group about EA Norway. You can send also a message on our fb page (not active for content sharing as of now) 😅

I actually attended the launch of this report in Oslo. I have three main points about this report: 1) The results aren't really generalisable, yet they present the findings as if they were; 2) the actual findings of the report don't directly say that fundraising campaigns need to change; 3) although it might be a 'whataboutist' argument, I'd really like for SAIH to focus on something else.

As the report itself states: "this is a study based on a very limited selection of informants, and we cannot generalise from the findings o... (read more)

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Cullen
5y
Totally. I'll do some elaboration on why I found it useful [we discussed some of this on Facebook, but I thought it worthwhile to post publicly :-)]: When I table for EA causes, I get a lot of pushback from left-leaning people that are worried (both justifiably and not) about histories of paternalistic and imperialistic aid in the developing world. Specifically, a lot of grad students (where I am) are already quite committed to using a social justice framework to evaluate potential interventions, which puts a lot of emphasis on avoiding these things. I think EA as such does a good job of mitigating this at the object level by focusing on demonstrable impact. But I don't think we currently do a great job communicating this to people with those worries, which in my experience are quite popular. Adopting better messaging can be a cheap signal that we take these concerns seriously, or moral trade with people who care about donor side attitudes more than effectiveness. My prediction is that this would potentially open them up to both global giving and further engagement with EA. Otherwise, it's hard for us to distinguish ourselves from the reference class of potential white-savior-y people who want to do good overseas.

Do you think there are certain situations one could force or reenact in order for a person to develop the trait of taking responsibility, or discover if they have it? Do you feel like the perceived importance of the project is the only factor, or are their other factors that can induce this?

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Kirsten
5y
For what it's worth, when I started teaching and was responsible for 30 children, I suddenly became a lot better at taking responsibility / noticing things that need doing / optimizing systems. That's a situation that I think forces people to take on the "heroic responsibility" mindset.
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Raemon
5y
For me, it was quite important that the project was not just "important" in the sense that it was relevant to the global good, but "important" in the sense that it was meeting all of my own needs. ie: * I felt like other people in my social circle cared about it * The end product was something that tied in with my overall self-narrative/image * Many intermediate stages were very creatively stimulating * The difficulty of the tasks were roughly at my current skill level * There was clearly nobody else who would do the thing if I didn't do it (this is unfortunately in tension with "doing it sustainably". It's possible people need to be forced to learn this skill in somewhat stressful burnout-inducing environments and then later can apply it in healthier environments) A lot of things had to go right at once, which were pretty situation-dependent (and me-dependent)

If you were to interview someone for a position, what type of work trial, case work, or other activities would you have the interviewee do for you to assess whether they have the trait of taking responsibility? Do you think just answering questions would provide enough for you to assess it, or could they do certain tasks or trials to test it?

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Gordon Seidoh Worley
5y
I would just ask them questions, although to be transparent I care only some about their answers and a lot about how they answer, since I believe that to be the place where most of the information I use to make the assessment comes from. I say this because I want to make clear I don't know how to assess this in a scalable and repeatable way I can teach others, though that might be possible although I suspect that it's not short of teaching you to be substantially more like me in several dimensions.

Thanks for this addition! This is very interesting. Do you find that taking responsibility and being willing to do whatever you have to do is something innate to people, or something that is mostly acquirable? Do you have ideas for how to test whether you have this trait?

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Raemon
5y
I personally have found it pretty situational – I went through a fairly binary switch from "had not had a project that felt important enough to take heroic responsibility on" to "suddenly found lots of projects where it felt fairly natural take heroic responsibility for things." (And then burned out and currently don't take much buck-stops-here responsibility, but feel like I could again if I needed to. I think figuring out how to do this sustainably, both as an individual and at the org level, is pretty tricky)
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Gordon Seidoh Worley
5y
I expect the disposition to take responsibility can be developed, since at least for myself I didn't always do it and now I do, but I only learned to do it after some significant psychology development (what I would call making the 3-4 transition in Kegan/CDT terminology), although I'm not sure how tied it is to that (haven't spent much time thinking about what enables the disposition to total responsibility). I'm not sure how to test it but I'm fairly confident I could suss out whether someone has the disposition in an interview, though I'm not sure with what level of precision, specially being unsure how many false negatives I would generate in my assessment.

Thank you for this suggestion! I think there are three main benefits of brainwriting: to generate ideas in a very short amount of time, to build on others' ideas, and to have someplace to start when working on a project.

We've used it for getting ideas on articles we'd like to write and topics we'd like to discuss. We also use it before a meeting with someone if we're a bit unsure about what we'd like the meeting to be about. Recently, we have decided on which indicators we are going to use to measure to what extent we are rea... (read more)