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· 9mo ago · 1m read

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If those are the doors, well, I feel like we're pretty doomed. Perhaps there are one or more doors that fix the criticisms both straw people apply to each other.

The difference between eugenics and transhumanism is consent. eugenics cannot be rehabilitated; The word is irrevocably bound to refer to incredible consent violation, to the point where even calling it merely a consent violation dishonors the people who died at the hands of the Nazis. heal genetic diseases, don't violate and murder people. do not commit eugenics.

just so we're clear - self driving cars are, in fact, one of the key factors pushing timelines down, and they've also done some pretty impressive work on non-killeveryone-proof safety which may be useful as hunch seeds for ainotkilleveryoneism.

they're not the only source of interesting research, though.

also, I don't think most of us who expect agi soon expect reliable agi soon. I certainly don't expect reliability to come early at all by default.

mild tangent, but ultimately not really a tangent -

The whole *point* of civilization is moving away from a state of base natural anarchy, where your value is tied to your capability

yeah, maybe; but anarchy.works. non-authoritarianism, as the word was originally meant, is about forming stable multiscale bonds of non-dominating microsolidarity. non archy has worked very well before; in order to work well, there has to be a large cooperation bubble that prevents takeover by authority structures.

that isn't what you meant, of course - you meant destructive chaos, the meaning usually expected from the word. but I claim that it is worth understanding why the word anarchy has such strong detractors and supporters, and learning what the underlying principles of those ethics are.

Strongly agreed with the point actually being made by the word in this context, and with the entire comment to which I reply, I just wanted to comment on the word as used.

this approach to reasoning assumes authorities are valid. do not trust organizations this way. It is one of effective altruism's key failings. how can we increase pro-social distrust in effective altruism so that authorities are not trusted?

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