All of Lauren Gilbert's Comments + Replies

Agree on housing, disagree on NHS: https://www.laurenpolicy.com/p/uk-immigration-and-public-services

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Josh Jacobson
You're right! Good to know. ChatGPT on this & implications: https://chatgpt.com/share/e/687ab695-de44-800c-a4e7-ebe0f4b73338

I would say "having roughly similar migration as several other rich countries" does mean not "open borders", as I think few people would claim that open borders is currently the state of entrance into most rich countries. (Certainly, as an immigrant in the UK, it has not been my experience.)

In answer to those points:

About one in four UK tourist visas is refused, which does not seem that easy. The UK has a relatively small number of migrants that arrive by sea, compared to other European countries with a long coastline. About half of asylum applications are... (read more)

Update: I have edited, and added a footnote saying you corrected me, linking to this comment, and noting that I offered you a bug bounty.

You're correct that I accidentally used the 2023 work visa total instead of 2024 work visa total.

I'll edit. As per my bug bounty policy, I'll also donate $10 to a charity of your choice: https://www.laurenpolicy.com/p/announcing-a-bug-bounty-for-this

That being said, I am relatively unconcerned about the fiscal effects of this given 1) dependents are allowed to work in the UK (unlike in the US), 2) cohort wages look decent through 2023, and 3) labor force participation for non-UK born remains higher than for the UK born (through 2025). 

So was I, tbh! It is also possible that there are more studies but they are in French and I cannot read them.

  1. I am not sure how to prove to you that people need income in the United States.
  2. As I say below, they say: "We found no impact on the overall likelihood of Germans to be victimized in a crime".  That is, refugees were not any likelier than Germans to commit crimes against Germans.  I said: "In Germany, refugees were not particularly likely to commit crimes against Germans".  I have accurately reported their results.
  3. I discuss below why simple descriptive statistics are insufficient to tell you if a group commits more crime than other groups.

They say: "We found no impact on the overall likelihood of Germans to be victimized in a crime".  That is, refugees were not any likelier than Germans to commit crimes against Germans.

I said: "In Germany, refugees were not particularly likely to commit crimes against Germans".  I have accurately reported their results.

 

Furthermore, in a post I am working on now, I will discuss why such charts - I look at one simply comparing the % of of a given ethnicity in prison to the % in a population - do not tell you all that much:

"We might overestimat... (read more)

  1. From Portes and Stepnick 1985: "The federal government's refusal to grant either group political asylum deprived them of benefits under the new 1980 Refugee Act. Although subsequent congressional action alleviated this situation, emergency aid was limited and most of it lapsed by 1983. Lacking either jobs or government assistance, many refugees were compelled to rely on private charity or to invent jobs in a burgeoning "informal" economy in Miami."  So technically, they received some aid - I'll edit accordingly, thanks for the flag - but considerably
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Larks
There is a huge difference between 'they were at some times not approved for this specific type of aid" and "work or starve". There is no way that the US in the 1980s would tolerate mass starvation like this - even if the federal government hadn't stepped in, the individual states, churches, charities, families etc. would not have allowed that to occur. If you read the prior sentence in that article, you will see they are basically assuming the negative selection to be true, and don't engage with my argument that positive selection effects also existed at all: I don't think the fact that some were eventually deported shows very much. I'm not denying that some of them were criminals - I'm just claiming that there are also significant positive selection effects. Since you're not saying that they were all eventually deported, and I'm not saying that every single migrant was a great person, I don't think the mere fact that some were deported is very strong evidence either way. No, it is not. You discussed whether refugees were "particularly likely to commit crimes". This is a simple statistic - you take crimes committed and divide by population. It is the statistic shown in the chart I included. As far as I am aware, basically every source agrees that this wave of refugees commit crimes at well above the rates of natives. In contrast, my understanding is the Huang and Kvasnicka paper you quoted do a series of regressions to try to establish whether the scale of immigration changed the amount of crimes that refugees committed. This is a different question. It could (hypothetically) be the case that refugees were committing crimes at a very high rate, and then this fell in 2015 but was still higher than the native rate - if this was the case then this paper would show the opposite result to what we are discussing. I am also very skeptical of the paper because the garden of branching paths issue seems so large - they declined to publish simple statistics and opted for
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Habryka [Deactivated]
I haven't read their paper, but the chart sure seems like it establishes a clear correlation. Also, the quotes you are saying seem to be saying something else, claiming that "greater inflow was not correlated with greater crime", which is different than "refugees were not particularly likely to commit crimes against Germans". Indeed, at least on a quick skim of the data that Larks linked, the that statement seems clearly false (though it might still be true that for some reason it is not as clear that greater immigration inflow is necessarily correlated with greater crime, since it might lower crime in other ways, though my best guess is that claim is being chosen as a result of a garden of forking paths methodology).

I haven't seen a lot of evidence on other kinds of peacekeepers, so I don't know that I can say with confidence how effective they are!  I would guess it depends on how much they are seen as a neutral third party.

More the latter - I think it's hard to influence the UN, especially if you need security council sign off.  Really, you have to influence every country on the security council to agree to more peacekeeping, and also come up with more funding somewhere, and UN bureaucracy is famously difficult and impenetrable.

Would I love to redesign UN peacekeeping to focus more on rule of law and less on soldiers?  Absolutely.  Do I think there's much possibility to do that?  Not really no.

Yes, I thought that was what you meant but wanted to be clear - I very much don't think that GiveWell should start recommending the UN.  ;)

I should note - I don't think peacekeeping is anywhere near as cost-effective as GiveWell's top interventions!

My (very quick, rough) BOTEC on peacekeeping in 2022 had it about half as good as GiveDirectly (see the civil conflict shallow and associated BOTEC).  Peacekeeping should not be an EA cause area.  Getting the UN to focus more on peacekeeping and less on other functions?  That might pencil, since it's leveraged (though I am very uncertain on that).

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EffectiveAdvocate🔸
Could you say a bit more about your uncertainty regarding this?   After reading this, it sounds to me like shifting some government spending to peacekeeping would be money much better spent than on other themes.  Or do you mean it more from an outsider/activist perspective—that the work of running an organization focused on convincing policymakers to do this would be very costly and might make it much less effective than other interventions? 
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Lizka
That makes sense and is roughly how I was interpreting what you wrote (sorry for potentially implying otherwise in my comment) — this is still a lot more positive on peacekeeping than I was expecting it to be :) 

Also a longer response: I do think the lack of demand is worrying and could be suggestive that these studies are not showing real world effects.  I haven't spent enough time in rural Kenya to know how hard it is to get glasses, but I am updating based on what you say!

I do think it is easy to underestimate how bad your vision has gotten and not use glasses you need.  Personally, I have failed to notice that my prescription has gotten out of date and continued to use old glasses, and then finally get around to getting new ones and I do notice a pro... (read more)

5[anonymous]
I share a lot of Drew's skepticism about the study, especially the experimenter demand effects. If monitoring alone is enough to increase productivity, I think it's quite plausible that there is some further response (beyond a direct effect of the glasses on vision) to monitoring plus the provision of glasses. Even as a large proponent of quantile regression in many applications, I do think OLS is more appropriate for a cost effectiveness analysis. A median shift could be consistent both with a much larger or much smaller (even negative) impact on aggregate utility.  However, I do think the point about glasses as an experience good is a good one and could quite possibly be at play here. If getting glasses for work is not a normal activity, it could be easy to underestimate the benefits of doing so.

Very interested to see it when it's done!  Always happy to update my thoughts based on new evidence.

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Davidmanheim
Thank you for noting this, and I obviously missed it, and have retracted the comment due to you pointing this out and other replies that changed my view.  That said, I think that housing policy is the most obvious place for c(4) donations, given the local political nature of the work, but I'm frustrated that there's currently so little similar direct work on the national level in the US, for example, in farm animal welfare, in biosecurity and global health, and in AI policy. I think that more political engagement in each area by individual donors small and medium size could be very useful. But as I said in another comment: "I think almost all of the hesitation of recommending [this type of donating] is the FTX fiasco and the impact on almost all of the political work that had been done in EA, which SBF was funding a large portion of - but I think that's a really bad reason not to pursue this type of work, albeit obviously not doing so with dubious campaign finance ethics, much less stolen customer funds."

This is not an object-level comment, but great to see you on the Forum, JueYan!

As the friend in question, I would like to second Gemma's comment and endorse the idea that EA should take engagement with disability more seriously.

This is just a comment to say how much Sam's colleagues appreciate him, and how much he has added to Open Philanthropy over the last year.

OK, but we should legit have an EAGxKampala.  (Or possibly Kigali or Nairobi or Dar, but EAGxEast Africa.)

Marginal costs, and yes, you are completely correct.

Life satisfaction for people with disabilities has been well studied.  It is lower than people without disabilities (in most cases), but is not zero.

(A handful of sources to start with: paper on disabled people in Germany that shows happiness recovers after disability, paper on Spanish people with intellectual disabilities shows they are largely satisfied with their lives, the average life satisfaction of people with disabilities in Northern Ireland is 7/10, across EU member states it's between 6.2 and 7 out of ten.)

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Arepo
This seems like a reiteration of Geoffrey Miller's comment, so all the discussion there applies.

You're right; I misread Susannah's tweet (and read the "ever" bar as "in school").

Re. the Wikipedia article: those are ever harassed numbers; the Zambia number is within the last year.  Assuming that sexual harassment is spread across all grades (K-12), "within the last year" (81/12) would be ~7% (which is how I got a quarter of the 26% I quote, though you're right that I was misreading the tweet).  Upon further thought, dividing by 12 is a little aggressive, since sexual harassment is more likely in last six years of that (grades 6-12), so say, ... (read more)

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Linch
Interesting. I think I disagree with this renewed assessment, as: 1. We shouldn't assume that "reported sexual harassment in school" is the same thing as "have ever been sexually harassed exactly once in school." If anything there should be a presumption that this have happened to many people significantly more than once.  2. The survey is of "2064 students in 8th through 11th grade," so of course many surveyed students literally were not around for the full span of grades 6-12. I do agree that reporting bias differences are pretty likely. And I'm sorry to hear that you've been harassed in Uganda.

I agree with this comment.  While less than 0.5% of American students face corporal punishment at school, some 70% of African students do.  In school deaths are not incredibly uncommon. 

26% of Zambian girls have been sexually abused in the last year.  About 10% of Zambian boys and girls report having been sexually harassed at school within the last month.

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Linch
I looked at your link and didn't see evidence of this? Instead, Wikipedia (your link) says: Also, your source for is a Tweet that says 26.4% of Zambian girls have been sexually abused at all, and 1.9% in school (the US comparatively has 15.2% at all, and 0% in school). These number all sound very high to me. And my initial prior is very much that the situation is worse on average in developing countries than the US. But I don't think the evidence presented so far is conclusive here. 
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NickLaing
Brilliant Harfe and Laura. Here in Uganda many primary students are beaten badly, while in high schools there's a common system, which is borderline torture, where many students only get 4-6 hours sleep a night.  My wife works in advocacy and has considered trying to tackle this - I'm not sure where this might fit on the effectiveness scale, but potentially reducing suffering in millions of kids could be a pretty good intervention. Like you both I struggle to see a scenario where this would be more effective in Richer countries than places like here in Uganda.

Is it possible for visit for a shorter time than 12 weeks?

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Anne Nganga
Hi Lauren, Successful applicants who make requests to be indulged on time may be considered. I hope this answers your question. Best, Anne Nganga

Yes, we also came to the conclusion that firm electrification > household electrification.  My comment was meant as a gentle suggestion that perhaps electricity access is not the highest ROI margin.  ;)

FWIW, I found much higher ROI from improving quality of electricity access (e.g. reducing the number of blackouts; based pretty heavily on this paper from Fried and Lagakos) than from improving the quantity of electricity supplied.

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Karthik Tadepalli
Makes sense! The cost of electrification, especially in remote areas, is probably far higher than the cost of improving electricity infrastructure. The description in the post also focuses (in my reading) on household electrification, while Fried and Lagakos focuses on the effects on firms, which likely have higher returns. Most people I've spoken to agree that the frontier is looking at benefits to the production side.

Re. the intimidation factor: I regularly write for an audience of ~1.3M people.  I found posting on the EA forum much more intimidating.

I am much more likely to get criticism in response to an EA forum post than elsewhere.  This is good in terms of robustness of ideas, but it also means I am never going to dash off a post quickly.

You may want to disambiguate Great Lakes region - I had a moment where I was confused if you meant Ohio or Uganda.

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t46
Haha, thanks a lot, will fix this!

Re. military service AND a PhD: we had a handful of active-duty people go through my PhD.  They had three years to write their PhD - which is very short, and meant they did not write an academic-quality dissertation.  (They all stayed in the military and went on to their next post; I do not think they regret not being academics.). That might be fine for you!  But it's worth bearing in mind that if you are interested in an academic job, using military service for funding probably won't get you one.

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PeterJensen
I was Active Duty Army and completed my PhD through a fully funded program (at the University of Tennessee) that was part of becoming faculty at the US Military Academy (aka West Point). My PhD program was 3 years, the same as everyone else in my program, and my academic credentials were on par with those in my field. After 3 years as an academic at the US Military Academy I returned to a non-academic position in the operational Army. Many of my colleagues (Active Duty Army officers with PhDs) remained at the US Military Academy for several years and pursed academic careers, as well as a range of other policy related endeavors.  It is a fairly narrow route to join the US Army as an officer and pursue an academic faculty position at the US Military Academy, but it can be done. Anyone interested in more information on this route, please let me know.

I will confirm this and also say that if your PhD does not provide funding, you should not go.  This also applies to PhDs that don't provide enough funding to live (though this may eliminate a few good schools - I'm not sure either Isabel's alma mater (UCLA) or mine (UCSD) provide stipends that make sense relative to housing costs.)

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Lauren Gilbert
Re. military service AND a PhD: we had a handful of active-duty people go through my PhD.  They had three years to write their PhD - which is very short, and meant they did not write an academic-quality dissertation.  (They all stayed in the military and went on to their next post; I do not think they regret not being academics.). That might be fine for you!  But it's worth bearing in mind that if you are interested in an academic job, using military service for funding probably won't get you one.
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isabel🔸
while I'd agree with the advice of "don't go if they don't provide any funding",  not providing quite enough funding to actually cover expenses seems more ambiguous? 

As far as I am aware, it is not true.  Given most health conditions are rare, and even common health conditions are experienced by a minority of the population, DALY and QALY valuations are mostly produced by people with no lived experience of the condition they are ranking.

Two very quick notes:

  1. It's Caltech, no space.
  2. As someone who went to Caltech (and turned down a couple of Ivys), I think EA's focus on top tier schools is very weird and missing a lot of talent.

Edited to add: my MS and MA are from a less elite school (UCSD).  I've tried to convince more of my friends from UCSD to apply to jobs at Open Phil than I have Caltech friends.

Oh, that's really interesting.  I've passed this along to the team.

When we spoke to experts in the field, this was not a major concern for them.  Indeed, a couple mentioned that often convincing people to use a development intervention is an uphill battle - but people needed no convincing to use cell phones.

This seems to be borne out by usage statistics; even though devices are expensive (44% of monthly income is a lot), usage is growing a lot.  GSMA has smartphone usage doubling in sub-Saharan Africa doubling from 2014-2019 (pg. 17).  World Bank research suggests the major barrier entry to using a mobile d... (read more)

It looks like my footnote on Starlink didn't make it over the forum version; will fix that!  In the interim, these are my thoughts: "in the near future, satellites in low orbit will make it possible to access broadband in almost all parts of the world in the near future. However, satellite internet is quite pricey. Starlink terminals are currently $500 loss-leaders for the company, plus a monthly cost of $99. While this makes coverage possible throughout the world, it does not mean that this is actually useful to the majority of the world (let alone t... (read more)

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scottleibrand
I think the relevance of Starlink here is not for serving individuals in LMICs, but for providing backhaul for towers in places too remote to easily backhaul via fiber or line of sight microwave links.

Update: I texted an astrophysicist friend about including code in arxiv postings and got back "EXTREMELY GOOD"

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Yonatan Cale
Thanks! (this is very easy to implement, at least software-wise; the interesting challenge would be making sure nobody can share malicious code)

Yes!  Political science often uses SSRN, but SSRN is... worse than the arxiv and doesn't really do a daily digest of relevant papers (the astro-ph mailing list is every astrophysicist's way of staying up to date with literature).  Preprints sometimes go on author's websites, sometimes get linked on Twitter, it's just not centralized. 

 

Econ has the same problem - there is an econ-gn category on the arxiv, but not a category for, say, crime, or health, or gender.  Some preprints are on NBER, some are on IZA, some are on SSRN, etc.

 

Oh my god, if you let people include code in their preprints, you will be every astrophysicist's favorite FOREVER.

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Yonatan Cale
:)   Thanks, the "add a category" thing sounds like a low hanging fruit, and it sounds like, if the arxiv-competitors are even worse than arxiv, that if I'd do this right, perhaps they'd want to merge in too. Sounds very promising and I didn't know it

I would love to see the arxiv expand to other disciplines that love preprints.  I think centralizing the scattered social science preprint sphere would be doing good for science!  (I am an ex-physicist turned political scientist, and I miss the arxiv so much.)

also, I would love if the arxiv had a good export to .bib file rather than just a copy-paste .bib formatted text, so I didn't have to click through to the ADS to generate a .bib file.  It would save me quite a few seconds.  ;)

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Yonatan Cale
Thanks! Are there disciplines that would like preprints but don't have an arxiv-like website?   .bib download: 1. OMG it's going to be so easy to make users happy. Just a download button? 2. My intuition is that formats can be improved way beyond that. For example, why do we still use PDFs and latex when we have HTML or jupyter notebooks? But I'm not an academic and probably missing lots of important details. Mainly my intuition is that this can be way-improved

Oh, hi, stranger.  ;)

Yes, we've been thinking about this a bit.  In this version of the model, I assumed recovery to trend within 10 years, but honestly, that's incredibly unrealistic.  We're likely to revise our model to use a substantially longer time scale for recovery.

On a related note, if people reading this are interested in political economy & GHW, feel free to email me to chat about the advantages/disadvantages of being in a political science department instead of an econ department.

Policing reform is a topic near and dear to my heart, so I am happy to talk about this ad nauseam.  One of the papers in my now-on-pause dissertation was on policing, and I also RAed on a study on community policing in the Global South.  (It didn't work.)

I agree that better policing is desperately needed in the developing world; functionally, there really aren't police in much of the world.  But I don't know that the literature is yet mature enough for this kind of overview; policing in the developing world has really only taken off as a res... (read more)

Oh, that's a valid point about scaling; noted.

Re. job training: I was referring to Blattman and Annan 2016, where the intervention contained both counseling and job training.

Very excited to see the ten year results when they're out!  

I wish there was more data on this!  There is very little systematic data collection on refugees and IDPs in the Global South.  I had trouble finding data on physical health - e.g. life expectancy for those displaced by civil war - and well-being data was even thinner on the ground.  I even tweeted about how much I wanted this data to exist.  ;)

I certainly expect that experiencing or being displaced by civil war has substantially negative effects on well-being - this paper shows the effects persist for at least three decades - but I did... (read more)

You might also find Arroyo-Abad and Maurer's review of the persistence literature interesting.