All of Mati_Roy's Comments + Replies

It seems to me like the ratio of preparedness : prevention for environmental change should be way higher

Thanks for asking! Yeah, we haven't advertised this on our website yet. I'd love to help your mission at Leaf--this is exactly the kind of projects I want to support :)

yeah, could be a nonprofit but probably not a charity

I just skimmed. I like the idea. That plausibly only works for sufficiently memetically fit charities (which varies based on the product/service), but that's probably still a significant number.

If this is thesis is true, then it means donors (of charity that have companies with a consumer based that is memetically fit for that charity) should buy companies and transform them into Profit for Good (at least assuming they're able to hire a good CEO, and maybe providing other incentive-based pay for the CEO if they don't have shares), because this would increa... (read more)

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Brad West
1y
Hi Mati. Thanks for your thoughts. I would push back a bit on your notion that it would only work with memetic matching. Especially if the PFG model were to take off, it may be pretty cheap and effective to signal that a company works for charities instead of shareholders. For instance, one of our thoughts with the Consumer Power Initiative is that PFGs could use a color-variant of our logo to signify a category of charity (maybe red for Global Health and Development, yellow for animal welfare, green for fighting environmental degradation). Essentially though, helping any of those causes, if you're not paying more, or otherwise sacrificing, should give you an edge regardless of whether there's a thematic match. I also do not know about PFGs acting as charities themselves... I think charities in most places are limited in the degree to which they can participate in the economy this way... But in any case, a company with charities in the equity position can do most of what others can do. This is why I think this model will take off eventually. I just hope EA takes advantage of the model so that effective charities enjoy the fruits of our economies. Thank you for adding this to those sources. I will take a look at the other entries!

I sent an email with a group application on September 18th (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ERZ7spGHZYJjixaY3ln4eVxu_GKkOWqvB9rpz3Abd6M/), but still haven't received a reply; I hadn't used the Google Form given it was a group application -- Did you receive my application? :/

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EffAlt
2y
Reach out to info@altruismoeficaz.mx

Is this program family-friendly?

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Sandra Malagon
2y
Hello Mati. Yes, the program is family-friendlyin but the accommodation is a hotel with austere rooms (as in the photo of the post). You can send an email to info@altruismoeficaz.mx so that they can give you more exact information on the type of accommodation options and if it adapts to the specific needs of your family.

Increase the prize for the International Mathematics Olympiads

Rationale: It's a useful source of talent EAs have used, and the current prizes are pretty low (less than 100 USD each AFAIK).

I'd be willing to pitch in that prize. Please reach out to me if interested.

read quickly, but basically: value that is harder to capture by the market is more neglected, so actually, there's a lot of opportunities of helping more people per employee in altruistic sectors, so not doing that is an opportunity cost

MATS is extending applications until May 22nd for its SERI ML Alignment Theory Scholars Program 2022. More info: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/nSyvMy3QQTyBzybNx/seri-ml-alignment-theory-scholars-program-2022

I don't have a short answer for you unfortunately.

The Quantum Physics Sequence does address this to some extent.

Part-time remote assistant position

My assistant agency, Pantask, is looking to hire new remote assistants. We currently work only with effective altruist / LessWrong clients, and are looking to contract people in or adjacent to the network. If you’re interested in referring me people, I’ll give you a 100 USD finder’s fee for any assistant I contract for at least 2 weeks (I’m looking to contract a couple at the moment).

This is a part time gig / sideline. Tasks often include web searches, problem solving over the phone, and google sheet formatting. A full de... (read more)

this seems relevant: Guide to Talking About Effective Altruism (https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/get-involved/share-our-ideas/guide-to-talking-about-effective-altruism/) (i haven't read it though)

The link to the raw data at the end of the post is dead. I would like to have the raw data of EA surveys, especially recent ones -- is there a way to get them?

way to sequence sperm/​​eggs non-destructively

this would give us:

immediate large boost of ~2SD possible by selecting earlier in the process before variance has been canceled out, does not require any new technology other than the gamete sequencing part

see: https://www.gwern.net/Embryo-selection

By the way, for the future I would suggest the question format (instead of the post format), so that comments are separated as "answers to the question" and "other" :)

First human to achieve some level of intelligence (as measured by some test) (prize split between the person themselves and the parents and the genetic engineering lab if applicable) (this is more about the social incentive than economical one, as I suppose there's already an economical one)

x-post: What effectively altruistic inducement prize contest would you like to be funded?

1M USD for the first to create a gamete (sperm and/or egg) from stem cells that result in a successful birth in one of the following species: humans, mice, dogs, pigs (probably should add more options).

(this could enable iterated embryo selection)

x-post: What effectively altruistic inducement prize contest would you like to be funded?

You could do both -- that's what I'll do if that's okay :)

Also, comments can also give you points, ya know! :P

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Emerson Spartz
2y
That depends on the funders! Give enough bounties, I'd expect an optimal bounty distribution to look power law-ish with a few big bounties (>10k-1m?) and many small ones (<10k).

I like this! I'm curious why you opted for the submissions to be private instead of public (ie. submitting by posting a comment)?

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Emerson Spartz
2y
I didn't think about it much - public might be better. I assumed some people would be hesitant to share publicly and I'd get more submissions if private, but I'm not sure if that offsets the creative stimulus of sharing publicly.

Hi all, Haydn and I figured this post was a good place to plug our startup, Pantask. While the services we provide are not as advanced as those listed here, Pantask can offer assistance to EA orgs that need help with day to day operations but can’t afford to hire full time employees. We provide general virtual assistance services, such as organizing chaotic troves of data, manage schedules and emails, and help with brain debugging. We also offer graphic design, copyediting, transcription, and writing services. Our assistants can also perform certain kinds ... (read more)

Mayyybe it would have bought slave's freedom one by one instead? (I don't know; just speculating)

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RogerAckroyd
3y
If that was done before the slave trade was abolished it would have encouraged the enslavement of more people. 

Another angle (/ piece of the puzzle) to compare different decision-making processes

Also safer technological progress, which is where a significant chunk of the x-risks are coming from. I don't think this would influence the probability of stable dictatorships. 

I intend to update this answer as I think of more.

  • Creating a gamete from a stem cell (to enable [iterated embryo selection](https://www.lesswrong.com/tag/iterated-embryo-selection))
  • Reanimating a cryonics patient (although, creating a prize that long in advance will probably not create a market pressure in the short term)
  • First human to achieve some level of intelligence (as measured by some IQ test) (prize split between the person and the genetic engineering lab) (this is more about the social incentive than economical one, as I suppose there's already an economical one)
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Neel Nanda
3y
Why is "iterated embryo selection" desirable on EA grounds? I can see the argument that this let's us improve human intelligence, which eg leads to more technological progress. But it seems unclear whether this is good from an x-risk perspective. And I can see many ways that better control over human genetics can lead to super bad outcomes, eg stable dictatorships.

the community, yes. the practice / approach, no.

  • FYI, Hunter says you can have residency in Paraguay easily, and only need to stay 1 day per year to maintain it
  • I might be interested in hanging out in Panama, but idk if i want the citizenship
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Josh Jacobson
3y
The main difference between the programs is that Panama's provides a path to citizenship without ever staying very long in-country, while Paraguay's is maintainable as a permanent resiidency with only short occasional visits, but to gain Paraguayan citizenship you must spend the majority of 3 years in-country. One source for this (though I've looked at many): https://nomadcapitalist.com/second-passport/paraguay/ FWIW, a lawyer I'm speaking to about these options says that Paraguay's program is expected to change in the near future as well; they sit on the Paraguayan committee that's working on amending the law.

If a non-profit organization is:

  • not solving some public good (in the economic sense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_good_(economics))
  • not redistributing money directly
  • not helping agents that can't help themselves / use money
  • not helping the donor directly
  • relying on donations

Then:

  • it's probably mostly done for signaling purposes and/or misguided
  • it's likely performing worse than the average company
    • although there could be less efficient ways of redistributing money that would arguably be better than the average company

Good thinking. Names and currency (along with status) are one of the few things you have less when others have more, and so benefit from being put on the blockchain

so am understanding you have short AI timelines, and so don't think genetic engineering would have time to pay off, but psychedelics would, and that you think it's of similar relevance as working directly on the problem

thanks for your answer!

Genetic engineering doesn't seem to have a comparable track record or a comparable evidence base.

You get humans from primates with genetic modifications, not psychedelic :)

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Milan_Griffes
3y
No intentionality though, just a blind process over millennia. With intentionality, you can go from birds to 747s and F-16s in 70 years.

oh, by bad. apologies. thanks for the quote!

in terms of augmenting humans, my impression is that genetic engineering is by far the most effective intervention. my understanding is that we're currently making a lot of progress in that area, yet some important research aspects seem neglected, and could have a transformative impact on the world.

I wonder if you disagree

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Milan_Griffes
3y
Yes, I disagree. There are currently several legal, high-quality psychedelic modalities on offer that I would be personally excited to work with (1, 2, 3, 4). Many more will be coming online within the next 5 years. I haven't heard of any genetic engineering interventions on the market that are currently having a transformative impact, and I wouldn't feel comfortable personally participating in genetic engineering until it was way more battle-tested.  Humans have been using psychedelic healing modalities to good effect for thousands of years – that track record plus what we know from the research about their risk/reward profile makes me feel comfortable working with them (in a respectful way).  Genetic engineering doesn't seem to have a comparable track record or a comparable evidence base.

I feel like the burden of proof is on you, no? how will psychedelics help avoid astronomical waste?

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Milan_Griffes
3y
From the original post:

I guess I was working on the assumption that it was rare that people would want to split their donation between local and effective a priori, and my point was that GM wasn't useful to people that didn't already want to split their donations in that way before GM's existence -- but maybe this assumption is wrong actually

hummm, I guess it's fine after all. I change my mind. People can just give whatever fraction they were going to give to local charities, and then be matched. And the extra matching to effective charities is a signal from the matcher about their model of the world. I don't think someone that was going to give 100% to another charity than those 9 should use GivingMultiplier though (unless they changed their mind about effective charities). But my guess is that this project has good consequences.

I'm henceforth offering a MetaGivingMultiplier. It's the same structure than GivingMultiplier, but replace "local charities" with "GivingMultiplier" and "super-effective charities" with "a cryonics organization" (I recommend https://www.alcor.org/rapid/ or https://www.brainpreservation.org/). Anyone wants to take advantage of my donation match?

h/t: came up with this with Haydn Thomas-Rose

On handling posts that may violate Forum rules:

Thanks for the clarifications.

On private vs. public communication:

I don't want to argue for what to do in general, but here in particular my "accusation" consists of doing the math. If I got it wrong, am sure other got it wrong too and it would be useful to clarify publicly.

On that note, I've sent this post along to Lucius of the GivingMultiplier team.

Thank you.

I agree with what Kit said as well.

But that the only reason you're not removing it is because of Kit's comment makes me pretty concerned about the forum.

I also disagree that private communication is better than public communication in cases like this.

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Aaron Gertler
3y
I should have been more clear on that point -- thanks for the comment. I've changed my reply to add the phrase "without asking the author to consider changes, as I typically would". I can see how the original reply could have been concerning. On handling posts that may violate Forum rules: My first act for any post that seems to violate rules is to contact the author and express my concerns; I've  done this ~20 times in the last two years. (The exception to this is for a post that is in stark violation of rules -- e.g. an insult with no further content, or obvious spam.)  If  the ensuing discussion doesn't lead me to change my view on whether the post violated a rule, and the author declines to make changes to the content in accordance with the Forum's rules, the post might (again, might) be moved back to "draft" status (we don't delete non-spam content -- we want the author to be able to share things elsewhere even if the Forum doesn't permit them). Of the aforementioned ~20 instances, I removed content one time when the author never replied (this was a comment that shared provably false and inaccurate information about a named person in a way that was hard to correct with a reply). On one or two other occasions, authors chose to remove their work.  In every other case, I was convinced by the author, the author made light edits (generally of the "softening tone without changing substance" variety), or a discussion developed that seemed valuable enough for leaving the post up to be a net positive. On private vs. public communication:   The big difference is that, in most cases, you can move from a private to a public discussion more smoothly than vice-versa. Once a public accusation has been made, confusion and concern tends to linger, whatever the substance of the accusation. You can see this in action when a false Tweet gets 50 times as many retweets as the correction. Public accusations also tend to lead to bitter fights that could have been avoided with

This doesn't change the "indistinguishable from if I gave X" property, but it is a thing that would have been easy to check before posting.

I did check. As you said, it doesn't change the conclusion (it actually makes it worse).

Second, point (b) matters. It seems like a bold assumption to assume that EA charities have reached "market efficiency"

I'm >50% sure that it doesn't fare better, but maybe. In any case, I specified in my OP that my main objection was (a). 

Thus, if you actually think one of the "EA" choices at GivingMultiplier is more valuable

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Aaron Gertler
3y
I don't understand what you mean. Let's say that GM has $100 in matching funds to distribute. I like Doctors Without Borders and AMF. You prefer March of Dimes and Clean Air Task Force. I give a $333/$333 split to my charities. That's a 50/50 split, which gets a 15% match from GM, which equates to $100.  If I get there before you, Doctors Without Borders and AMF both get an extra $50.  If you get there before me and do the same split, March of Dimes and CATF get $50. Those are different states of the world, determined by which of us gets the match.  If neither of us had used the match, GM would have given $100 to the charity chosen by whichever donor was matching us. That's a third possible state of the world. If we assume that GM has limited funding, every person who gets a match is theoretically taking funds for their charities, at the expense of someone who would have used those funds for other charities. If this person likes their charities more than most other charities, they are benefiting in some way. In theory, you could argue that the original matching donor is hurt, because they lose money that would have gone to a charity of their choice -- but they chose to fund a match, likely because they wanted to encourage people to think more carefully about funding effective charities and were willing to "pay them" to do so. What do you think is wrong about this model?

We already have one gateway drug: poverty alleviation. We don't need more. Psychedelics won't change the civilisation's path. Next.

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Milan_Griffes
3y
"Psychedelics won't change the civilisation's path." It would help me if you unpacked the reasoning behind this claim.
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