All of Pete Rowlett's Comments + Replies

I may have made an incorrect assumption! I thought that when you said "the average person can intuit that there’s no reasonable alternative to just politely ignoring the suffering of the quintillions of insects, worms and mites on the planet,” you were arguing that solving the problem wasn’t tractable.

Generally people on the EA Forum prioritize work on problems that do well under the ITN framework. If you suggested that we ignore the suffering, then perhaps you partly accept that there is suffering, and it’s important, though now I’m curious whether you ... (read more)

I think this sentence has a mistake:

“Hey, I quite like this post that summarizes my organization’s work is cool, check it out”

Could be either:

“Hey, I quite like this post that summarizes my organization’s work, check it out”

“Hey, this post that summarizes my organization’s work is cool, check it out”

Your first point seems like a legitimate question to me.  I've not read much about those animals, but I would assume there are many of them, perhaps far more than there are insects.  I would be curious to read about indicators of their sentience.  The author, however, described evidence of several indicators of insect sentience ("responding to anesthetic, nursing their wounds, making tradeoffs between pain and reward, cognitively modeling both risks and reward in decision-making, responding in novel ways to novel experiences, self-medicating... (read more)

I am optimistic about this sort of idea, but I agree that it's important to pay close attention to perverse incentives. For what it's worth, the paper referenced in the post says the following regarding increased quantity concerns in the imagined animal well-being units (AWBUs) market:

"As can be seen from Table 2, a producer has three options to increase the number of AWBUs produced—it can add more animals, increase well-being, or avoid discount factors. The incentive for all farms to improve animal well being is straightforward. The higher the price of AW... (read more)

Thanks Aaron! I'll keep that in mind.

Thank you so much for this write-up and all the work the SWP team does! Very useful as a potential donor to see both the strategy and the absorbency plans. I'm also looking forward to the results of the University of Stirling study.

I'm curious about the margins on the products in your store. If they're low, I'll purchase them more rarely (for myself and people who I know will wear and enjoy them, mostly in the personal fun/fuzzies bucket) and donate more directly. If they're very high, I'll be more inclined to buy them for other people as a gamble that... (read more)

There are a few possible sources of funding that I'm aware of.  These first two are managed funds that accept applications:

Effective Altruism Funds Long-Term Future Fund (Application)
Founders Pledge Global Catastrophic Risks Fund (Application)

Manifund may be a good fit since your request is small and urgent.  You can list your project there, and anyone can fund it.

It doesn't sound like you're doing anything related to antimicrobial resistance, but if you are, there's the AMR Funding Circle.

Do you already know what sort of power system you need an... (read more)

I think the website is already quite good. It includes almost everything that somebody new to the community might find useful without overcrowding. If I had to come up with a couple comments:

1. “For the first couple of weeks, I’ll be testing how the current site performs against these goals, then move on to the redesign, which I’ll user-test against the same goals.” For the testing methodology, it sounds like you’re planning to gather metrics on this version, switch to V2, and gather metrics again. I think A/B testing might be a better option if it’s no

Thanks Nathan!

These are interesting ideas.  It seems like there's still a lack of clarity about the magnitude of the effects of each issue on the nonhuman animal side, and therefore their relative cost-effectiveness.  But as more research is done, say on ITNs in later stages of their lifecycle and the effects of tapeworms on pigs, maybe trades could be made based on these issues!

Wow, this is amazing!  Thank you for putting in the time and effort to write it.  I just ordered a copy for the Effective Altruism at Georgia Tech library.  Can’t wait to read it!

I think it would be really useful for someone with a mathematical background to develop this further. The flexibility/dedication tradeoff seems about the same as the explore/exploit tradeoff, which I understand to have been studied a fair amount.  I'd imagine there's a lot of theory that could be applied and would allow us to make better decisions as a community, especially now that lots of people are thinking about specializing or funding specialization.  I bet we could avoid significant mistakes at a low cost by quantifying investments in each area and comparing them to theoretical ideals.

Congratulations on your first post!  I think this is a really cool and interesting idea.  The team at Basefund has started doing something similar, so you may want to reach out to them if you're interested in working on it!

I quite like how you distinguish approaches at the individual level!  I think focusing on which area they support makes sense.  One lingering question I have is the relative value a donor's donations vs. the value of their contribution toward building a culture of effective giving.  I also think it's at least somewhat common for people to get into other areas of EA after starting out in effective giving.

Agreed on the intro fellowship point as well!  Long-term it supports field-building since plenty of participants filter through, but it... (read more)

Just messaged you!

It's great that you're doing what you can on this front, despite all the challenges!  I don't have specific nutritional advice, though maybe the writer of the first post you linked would.

You may have already considered this (some of your ideas hinted in this direction), but I think it's important to focus on suffering intensity, which you could measure in terms of suffering per calorie or suffering per pound of food.  Doing so will minimize your overall suffering footprint.  My understanding is that the differences in capacity for suffering ... (read more)

Great post, thanks for writing it!  Healthy and active vegans sharing their stories helps change the narrative, bit by bit.

Destroying viruses in at-risk labs

Thanks to Garrett Ehinger for feedback and for writing the last paragraph.

Military conflict around or in the vicinity of biological research laboratories could substantially increase the risk of releasing a dangerous pathogen into the environment. The fighting and mass movement of refugees combine with other risk factors to magnify the potential ramifications of this risk.  Garrett Ehinger elaborates on this issue in his excellent Chicago Tribune piece, and proposes the creation of nonaggression treaties for biol... (read more)

Rawls’ veil of ignorance supports maximizing expected value

One common topic in effective altruism introductory seminars is expected value, specifically the idea that we should usually maximize it. It’s intuitive for some participants, but others are less sure. Here I will offer a simple justification for expected value maximization using a variation of the veil of ignorance thought experiment. This line of thinking has helped make my introductory seminar participants (and me) more confident in the legitimacy of expected value.

The thought experime... (read more)

I appreciate how this post adds dimension to community building, and I think the four examples you used are solid examples of each approach.  I'm not sure what numbers I'd put on each area as current or ideal numbers, but I do have some other thoughts.

I think it's a little hard to distinguish between movement support and field building in many community building cases.  When someone in a university group decides to earn to give instead of researching global priorities, does that put them in movement support instead of the field?  To what ext... (read more)

Different group organizers have widely varying beliefs that affect what work they think is valuable.  From certain perspectives, work that’s generally espoused by EA orgs looks quite negative.  For example, someone may believe that the harms of global health work through the meat eater problem dominate the benefits of helping reduce human suffering and saving lives.  Someone may believe that the expected value of the future with humans is negative, and as such, biosecurity work that reduces human extinction risk is net-negative.  I... (read more)

Fantastic post, thank you for writing it!  One challenge I have with encouraging effective giving, especially with a broader non-EA crowd, is that global health and development will probably be the main thing people end up giving to.  I currently don't support that work because of the meat eater problem.  If you have any thoughts on dealing with this, I'd love to hear them.

Some arguments to support global health work despite the meat eater problem that I see are:

"People in low-income countries that are being helped with Givewell-style interv... (read more)

I was talking with a new university group organizer recently, and the topic of heavy-tailed impact came up.  Here I’ll briefly explain what heavy tails are and what I think they imply about university group community building.

What’s a heavy tail?

In certain areas, the (vast) majority of the total effect comes from a (small) minority of the causes.  In venture capital, for example, a fund will invest in a portfolio of companies.  Most are expected to fail completely.  A small portion will survive but not change significantly in value.&nbs... (read more)

My current belief in the sentience of most nonhuman animals comes partly from the fact that they were subjected to many of the same evolutionary forces that gave consciousness to humans.  Other animals also share many brain structures with us.  ChatGPT never went through that process and doesn't have the same structures, so I wouldn't really expect it to be conscious.  I guess your post looks at the outputs of conscious beings, which are very similar to what ChatGPT produces, whereas I'm partly looking at the inputs that we know have created... (read more)

I’ve addressed the point on costs in other commentary, so we may just disagree there!

1. I think the core idea is that the EA ethos is about constantly asking how we can do the most good and updating based on new information.  So the book would hopefully codify that spirit rather than just talk about how great we’re doing.
2. I find it easier to trust people whose motivations I understand and who have demonstrated strong character in the past.  History can give a better sense of those two things.  Reading about Julia Wise in Strangers Drowning, for

Great point!  A historian or archivist could take on this role.  Maybe CEA could hire one?  I’d say it fits within their mission “to nurture a community of people who are thinking carefully about the world’s biggest problems and taking impactful action to solve them.”

Definitely agree with Chris here!  Worst case scenario, you create useful material for someone else who tackles it down the line, best case scenario, you write the whole thing yourself.

I think opportunity cost is well worth mentioning, but I don't know that I think it's as high as you believe it to be.

Choosing someone who has been around a while is optional.  The value of having an experienced community member do it is built-in trust, access, and understanding.  The costs are the writer's time (though that cost is decreasing as more people start writing about EA professionally) and the time of those being interviewed.  I would also note that while there's lots of work for technical people in EA, writers in the community ma... (read more)

I agree with this last point on underlying motives.  EA is one direction for purpose-seeking people to go in, but not everyone will choose it.  This program could also look vaguely religious, which is generally preferable to avoid.

I would also question whether a focused program is the best way to develop people with EA motivation.  I think sometimes people go through the intro program and find purpose in it because...

1. They see their peers struggling with the same questions about meaning and purpose
2. Their facilitator has found meaning through E

I think that stipends for intro fellows is an idea worth considering, but I have real concerns at the moment, especially since Penn’s write-up about it hasn’t come out yet.

1.1 “Makes Fellowships more accessible to people who are not wealthy, potentially leading to a more diverse community”
I think there’s probably some truth to this, but honestly, I don’t think an amount that we could give every fellow would allow anyone to meaningfully decrease the outside work they do.  I’d be in support of packages for those that wouldn’t be able to participate with... (read more)