All of Roddy MacSween's Comments + Replies

You say your estimate for when alignment will be solved is from a "Gaussian distribution... used for illustration purposes only". How do you intend the graphs/numbers based on this estimate to be interpreted?

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Esben Kran
2y
It is the naive estimate and we would need a broader range of others' estimates (e.g. on Metaculus) before we make concise predictions based on this. I also wouldn't expect it to follow a gaussian at the moment but some mixture distribution of several parameters.

What's the gap you're referring to? Philosophy undergrads?

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Chris Leong
2y
Anything below? Undergraduates, people who majored in philosophy, masters students.

The uncertainty of GiveDirectly and other GiveWell supported charities is not actually that high (about an order of magnitude for GiveDirectly, I expect over 2-3 orders of magnitude for the others).

That seems pretty high to me! When I've seen GiveDirectly used as a point of comparison for other global health/poverty charities, they're usually described as 1-10x more effective (i.e. people care about distinctions within one order of magnitude).

Why does this need charitable funding rather than existing profit incentives being sufficient? Is the assumption that non-pandemic use wouldn't be profitable enough?

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freedomandutility
2y
EA funding would just speed things up, which I think would be worth the money. I haven’t read enough to work out why this hasn’t seem more investment yet - a potential reason is that it might be harder to protect intellectual property and profit off these treatments compared to a medication.

A model where you think x-risk in the next few decades is a very important problem but that donating to non-x-risk charities now is the most impactful use of money seems weird to me. Even if x-risk work isn't constrained by money at the moment, it seems likely that could change between now and the global catastrophe. For example, unless you are confident in a fast AI takeoff there will probably be a time in the future where it's much more effective to lobby for regulation than it is now (because it will be easier to do and easier to know what regulation is helpful).

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MikhailSamin
2y
It is quite likely that you're right! I think it's just something that should be explicitly thought about, it seems like an uncertainty that wasn't really noticed. If x-risk is in the next few decades, some of the money currently directed to the interventions fighting deaths and suffering might be allocated to charities that do it better.

I think it would be interesting to have various groups (e.g. EAs who are skeptical vs worried about AI risk) rank these arguments and see how their lists of the top ones compare.

I'm in a similar position (donate to global poverty but care enough about x-risk to plan my career around it). I think the signalling value of donating to easy-to-pitch causes is pretty significant (probably some people find x-risk easier/more effective to pitch but I don't personally). aogara's first point also resonates with me. Donating to obviously good causes also seems like it would be psychologically valuable if I end up changing my mind about the importance of x-risk in the future.

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Note that using a trust has downsides. With a trust, I would recommend only funding individuals and non-charities with extreme caution.

Could you elaborate on this? I'm interested in setting up a trust to do microgrants, taking advantage of the fact that I can tolerate greater risks with my own money than an EA org (I'd also be happy to let other people use the trust as a vehicle for that). The main disadvantage of trusts I'm aware of is that trustees are personally liable, but that doesn't seem like a big risk if it's just making grants.

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Sanjay
2y
Trustees being personally liable was the thing I was thinking of.  If you fund individuals (i.e. people working who aren't part of an incorporated entity) then I'm not sure how exposed you would be to the risk that the law would treat you as a de facto employer of that person. (It may be fine, it's just something that I don't know). The Charity Commission is generally nervous about charitable entities sending money to non-charities, but does not forbid it. There is a Charity Commission guidance note about this somewhere on the internet.