All of Rían O'M 's Comments + Replies

Rían O'M
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Assuming there will continue to be three EAG-like conferences each year, these should all be replaced by conferences framed around specific cause areas/subtopics rather than about EA in general (e.g., by having two conferences on x-risk or AI-risk and a third one on GHW/FAW)

 

Is this not already the case? I.e. don't the major EAGs already focus on specific cause areas?

Rían O'M
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Vote power should scale with karma

 

On group think: I think this worry can mostly be ignored if the elite-karma accounts have sufficiently diverse views. That being the case would mean that (a) diverse views aren't obviously being punished and (b) to voters with the most individual leverage are less likely to all vote in the same direction. If they top karma accounts were all aligned in how they vote or were even colluding to suppress comments / posts, then the downsides of group-think would be more pronounced.

I guess It feels like this should be a tes... (read more)

And if he is still giving money to official EA causes, it should be loudly and swiftly returned.

 

In cases where a person has donated money they secured through crime, it seems right to reject it, but rejecting someone's money because one doesn't like their politics seems like a bad idea.

Suppose a hypothetical medicine-distribution charity that had been funded by Musk announced they would forgo accepting his future donations and would distribute fewer pills as a result. What exactly would this achieve? Maybe they would succeed in pleasing people who sh... (read more)

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drbrake 🔸
You are right - I wrote in anger and take that part back (have edited above).

People frequently do things like taking Rethink's moral weights project (which kinda skips over a lot of hard philosophical problems about measurement and what we can learn from animal behavior, and goes all-in on a simple perspective of total hedonic utilitarianism which I think is useful but not ultimately correct), and just treat the numbers as if they are unvarnished truth

Can you point to specific cases of that happening? I haven't seen this happen before. My sense is that most people who quote Rethinks moral weights project are familiar with the limit... (read more)

Rethink's weights unhedged in the wild: the most recent time I remember seeing this was when somebody pointed me towards this website: https://foodimpacts.org/, which uses Rethink's numbers to set the moral importance of different animals. They only link to where they got the weights in a tiny footnote on a secondary page about methods, and they don't mention any other ways that people try to calculate reference weights, or anything about what it means to "assume hedonism" or etc. Instead, we're told these weights are authoritative and scientific because... (read more)

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Jason
<<My sense is that most people who quote Rethinks moral weights project is familiar with the limitations.>> Do you think that the people doing the quoting also fairly put the average Forum reader on notice of the limitations? That's a different thing than being aware of the limitations themselves. I'd have to go back and do a bunch of reading of past posts to have a firm sense on this.

This makes me think that countries who as of yet don't have an entrenched factory farming lobby/industry would benefit advocacy groups similar to Shrimp Welfare Project (work in the reverent countries with stakeholders to improve the wellbeing of farmed animals).

 I began wondering if any org was approaching this similar to SWP. There seem to be two EA groups working on this:

It would have made sense for there to be a bit more discussion about ethical side-constraints, but including transparency in the list of core principles would honestly be just weird because transparency isn't distinctly EA. Beyond that, the importance of transparency is significantly complicated by the concept of infohazards in areas like biohazards or AI safety. I really don't see it as CEA's role to take a side in these debates. I think it makes sense for CEA to embrace transparency as a key organisational value, but it's not a core principle of EA in ge

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Chris Leong
That would make more sense.

is filled with bizarre factual errors, one of which was so egregious that it merited a connection.

Small nitpick; this is a typo or 'connection' is something I'm not familiar with in this context. 

I don't think the global optimal solution is an EA forum that's a cuddly little safe space for me.

I agree with this, but also think the forum "not being cuddly for Sean" and "not driving contributors away" aren't mutually exclusive. Maybe I am not seeing all the tradeoffs though. 

I am going to engage less with EA forum/LW as a result of this and a few similar interactions, and I am especially going to be more hesitant to be critical of EA/LW sacred cows.

This makes me sad as I enjoy reading your comments and find them insightful. That said, I understand and support your reasoning. I feel as though some amount of "mistake mindset" has disappeared a little in the two years I've been reading the forum. 

Thanks Rían, I appreciate it. And to be fair, this is from my perspective as much a me thing as it is an Oli thing. Like, I don't think the global optimal solution is an EA forum that's a cuddly little safe space for me. But we all have to make the tradeoffs that make most sense for us individually, and this kind of thing is costly for me.

I appreciate the effort to make the general consensus around trust towards EA-orgs more legible. 


Given the criticism that the three mentioned receive (much of it directed towards CEA), it's interesting (and IMO good) to see that most people emailed are broadly trusting of them. 
 

Thanks for sharing your post!

Pharmaceutical companies won't go and release hundreds of dud or dangerous drugs just because they can. That would ruin their brand and shut down their business. 

I briefly skimmed through the wikipedia list of withdrawn drugs. I looked at those withdrawn in the US or worldwide since 2007 (only eleven). 

As far as I could tell (and I easily could have missed something) none of the associated pharma companies seem to have been financially ruined. The only ones who no longer existed (Wyeth and Celltech) were bought out by... (read more)

Some useful advice I was once given:

->Try and apply to enough jobs / opportunities so that when the rejection letters / emails come in you no longer remember applying 

I hope this is somewhat helpful!

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Kuiyaki
Yes true it is helpful. But it is really hard to keep up at times.  But I really get what you mean

Ah, thank you! 

I searched for that comment. I think this is probably the one you're referencing. 

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Nathan Young
I know of at least 1 other case.

I haven't read too much into this and am probably missing something. 

Why do you think FTXFF was receiving grants via north dimension? The brief googling I did only mentioned north dimension in the context of FTX customers sending funds to FTX (specifically this SEC complaint). I could easily have missed something. 

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Jason
Grants were being made to grantees out of North Dimension's account -- at least one grant recipient confirmed receiving one on the Forum (would have to search for that). The trustee's second interim report shows that FTXFF grants were being paid out of similar accounts that received customer funds. It's unclear to me whether FTX Philanthrophy (the actual 501c3) ever had any meaningful assets to its name, or whether (m)any of the grants even flowed through accounts that it had ownership of.

Thank you for putting this together! 

I'd discussed with another organizer how so many useful EA resources were scattered around in different hidden google docs. You've done something worthwhile linking many of them in one place. 

Thank you for writing this up!! I found it insightful and helpful.

It’s extremely hard to correlate low energy to the correct causes and ruling out sleep is one of the most effective things you can do.

As someone who's had at times a less than optimal sleep cycle, I strongly agree with this. Removing sleep as a potential cause can make it much easier to spot why one is consistently tired / drained. 

Having an accountability buddy. I suspect most people already know what this is (having someone who knows your daily/weekly/monthly goals and helps you stay committed to them).

It's probably a more commonly known practice than those in the other comments but still an underrated one. 

Hello! I'm a bio/ biomedical student / EA Ireland organizer. Am interested in GCBRs, policy and technical responses and the dual-use dilemma.  Just finished running some proto-fellowships on biosecurity.

Wonderful work! I have nothing I can offer other than encouragement as this defiantly seems worth researching!