Have you read this article James: https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/ I think it's really good at comparing Open Philanthropy report with GFI report. I highly recommend reading it.
I use Canva Pro every day because it's totally free for registered nonprofits, so this is really cool news :)
This sounds amazing! Thank you for sharing your experience. I emailed you with a request.
Since I come from the EAA side of effective altruism I feel like Lewis Bollard's podcast is really missing here. I would dearly appreciate it, if when you use the term "Effective Altruism: An Introduction" there was EAA representation included in the introductory materials, especially that in the countries like Poland (where I am from) EA-mind folks are mostly coming from the animal movement and are drawn to EA because of effective animal advocacy. Or maybe just worth re-naming to: 80,000 Hours Introduction to Effective Altruism?
Thanks for your thoughtful response – it’s great to hear your impressions on our research!
"Do you know of other organizations that follow this approach, given your point that this is one of the few times a woman will come in contact with the health system?"
The expert view section of our report (p. 16) has the most information about other actors in the space. Key points:
Can't find a link to MM CEAs?
Hey James, I don't know how it is now, but I worked at ProVeg Poland (so a country chapter like ProVeg UK) like 3 years ago and we worked on everything extremely slowly so i.e. a person that will be working on a campaign would have to ask the graphic people to design the graphics, then they would have to consult with the country manager, the manager would have a meeting with other country managers, these country managers were managed by a person from the leadership and the leadership would have their own meetings. On top of that, there was one interna... (read more)
I can't spend too much time on this right now but at a first glance I can potentially see two major problems:
1) Problem with collecting the data that should show the effect
2) Problem with calculating the costs
With the 1) to count the animals spared by 1 plant-based day you would have to check stuff like:
Hey Rwoehrle, Thanks for sharing! I think it's always good to take a very pragmatic approach towards donating. As long as you have a debt to pay, it seems like it's worth putting money into that, and building a safety net for yourself first (a bit like putting an oxygen mask on yourself before you gonna get one on your child). When it comes to volunteering for animal groups, I'd recommend ACE top charities, or charities that are founded by Open Philanthropy or Animal Welfare Found, they should be kind of safe bets. Personally, I like The Humane ... (read more)
How one should go about learning how to write high-quality material?
And what is the way to get it published?
Would love to see an answer to this. The report is pessimistic, but it's unclear if it's never or 50 years. I hope Lewis will get back to this question!
Dear Lewis, thank you very much for your answer. If I may add one small thing: I think we should not only focus on diversity and sexual harassment, because mobbing can lead to PTSD, anxiety, depression, or struggling with self-worth. These can further affect people's lives on many levels (from work to relationships). I think that unfortunately, we don't put enough attention to the work environment and high rotations in the charities. There is room for improvement there for sure.
I dearly appreciate Open Phils attitude towards this though! You are giving a great example by treating employees seriously and investigating! Thank you!
I don't think this is a good place to turn this into a larger discussion. Unless the AMA author would like this to be the case.
This is such a sad thing to learn :(
Hey Daniela, I've been an animal activist for 20 years now and I had seen so many people suffer mobbing or hostile work environment. People suffering severe burnout, mostly due to poor leadership. The sad thing is, they are too afraid to say anything because some of the leaders and organizations are big and well respected. I don't really know how to help them, but I believe they don't deserve the anxiety, self-doubt, low self-esteem, depression, and all the other repercussions. Just don't really know what to do about it, but what worries me is that there is no follow-up. Like ACE is pointing out things and you can see no official response from the orgs. So is anything changing, or is it swept under the rug? What can we do?
Hi Ula! I agree with you. I myself stopped working directly as an animal advocate after being mobbed, harassed, and listening to regular discriminatory comments for being a woman, an immigrant, and because of my origin. I've seen so many activists going through the same.
In my case, the continued support of other advocates, especially of the Encompass community (www.encompassmovement.org), has been invaluable. I highly recommend it.
Second, I also believe that it's time to stop normalizing activists' mistreatment and discriminatory practices, especially in o... (read more)
If we focus on cost-effectiveness, what would be the most effective top 3 interventions for animals at the moment?
What is the most effective intervention for fish? Is anyone working on it? How many organizations are working on change for fish right now? What do we expect to achieve for fish in the next 2-3 years?
What are the key challenges in alternative proteins production that we need to overcome to meet the meat :) price point?
What criteria do you use while deciding which charities are gonna be given funding from EA AWF?
Question: In the past 2-3 years, we have heard troubling news about how employees in the animal movement are treated. Are there any plans of creating a safe, global space for employees, where they could:
I have two examples in mind:
Thanks for drawing attention to this important issue Ula. I’m very sorry to read of the experiences you and others have shared, which I’ll address here and in separate replies to Daniela and Eze’s posts below.
I completely agree the animal movement needs to do better to ensure it’s a safe place for all its employees and volunteers. We’re supporting a number of groups and individuals working to create a more inclusive and supportive global movement. For instance, we’re major funders of Encompass, ACE, and Animal Advocacy Careers, as well as a number of... (read more)
Thanks for pointing this out, Ula. I'm aware that several activists in other organizations have also suffered similar situations, along with derogatory comments because of their origin and gender.
In my experience this problem is unfortunately wide and common in so many organizations :(
This is a super important question, I'd love this to be addressed since it also seems to me this is very pessimistic and extremely important. This is not only a huge part of GFI's or ProVeg Incubator's work that probably absorbs a lot of money but it also was this kind of "hope" for animal activists like myself. Would it be reasonable to shift more resources towards alt proteins?
Congratulations! This is a very much needed research project. I've seen orgs scaling up to i.e. SA without any research, which resulted in not very successful programs. I also know very little about animal movement in African countries, so really looking forward to your reports.
Huge congratulations and thank you for creating this org! I think it's very much needed, mostly because I am an animal activist for 20 years now and I think we could do even better when choosing which campaigns do we implement as a movement. I really hope that thanks to Animal Ask's help we will progress even faster for animals. The time is crucial, the amount of suffering and deaths unbearable. Thanks, Amy and George for taking this important challenge, and I really hope many organizations will use your talent and experience.
Congratulation on your launch! Very impressed so far on how much progress you're making in a short amount of time. Good luck in Malawi!
Just send you a message!
If you're interested in who will be starting some of these charities, we have now posted a video with our 2020 Incubation Program participants: https://youtu.be/2DC25RBzsQM We're very grateful because we received over 3,000 applications this year. In the video we ask participants why they decided to join the program.
I am beyond impressed how fast this was put together. Great work!!!
I know I am biased because I work at CE, but I am extremely grateful for all the entrepreneurs and their work so far. I worked in a startup environment, so I know it's not easy to take this enormous responsibility that includes: providing high-quality research, managing contacts with business owners/governments/charities, responsible hiring, communications, operations, tons of traveling, and many many more. I am particularly excited about Fish Welfare Initiative since my biggest wish for fish is that they have their own "Open Wing Alliance". I hope many of you here on the EA forum will support these new charities and share your experience with them.
Wow, this is a really helpful reply! Thank you very much!
Do you think it will be possible to create high-impact, EA (complied to GiveWell standards) charities for animals? If yes - what would be the first step to achieve this? (Like what is missing in current animal advocacy that could brought it to this kind of cost-effective rigor?).
I have heard that TYLCS prepared a great event promoting the book in London (the guest list was small but amazing, the venue as well - so I heard). So I was wondering how much time was spent on preparing the event? How much money did you spend on it (stuff hours + venue/catering costs)? And what are the tips on putting a great guest list (like i.e. you want to funders, influencers, experienced EAs in the same room in the same time - that is super tough). Basically, I would like to know more on promoting via this kind of events. Do you think money wise it's worth it? How do you judge if it was a success or not? And how you did it?
Probably Joey has already send it but if not: https://www.charityentrepreneurship.com/full-time-editor.html
This is super useful, we're just about to go through similar process (hiring full-time editor). Thanks for sharing!
This is such a nice welcoming! Great that 80K is supporting this project, it is very much needed in the animal space.
Thanks Saulius, this is very helpful!
Congratulations on your launch! I am very glad that an organization focusing on such an important and large-scale problem was created within the framework of effective altruism. Thank you guys and good luck!
I agree with part of the comment above. I think moving to EA forum can be very beneficial but it will definitely make us more conscious about posting - so we'll be afraid to publish anything unpolished and rigorously double-checked. Maybe this is good, because we shall publish mostly high-quality stuff but for newbies like myself I think the bar (at least from what I heard) is so high that I'd probably start my own thing on side.
Interestingly, I don't believe re-posting stuff here as link-posts will work well. I can already see the differenc... (read more)
I wonder, what were the obstacles that didn't allow you to make cost-effectiveness analysis for ProVeg?: "For ProVeg in particular, we believe that our best estimate of their cost effectiveness is too speculative to feature in our review or include as a significant factor in our evaluation of their effectiveness." Is this supported by a promise that they will measure the cost-effectiveness in the future? And why it was possible to do the evaluation for other stand out charities and not for this particular one? Finally why do you think a cost-effectiveness analysis is not "a significant factor in our evaluation of their effectiveness".