RE Organizations want this to exist:
- I think that something like 20ish organizations reported that they would use a common app system, at least for operations roles (I think they were much less likely to use it for other kinds of roles, but it was dependent on seniority, etc).

RE it not creating savings:
- I asked organizations about various ways that this would save them time. In total, my estimate was a common application + pre-vetting would save organizations 500-1350 hours per year (based on their reports on how they'd use it and how much time they spend on hiring). 
- A common app alone might be half that? So 250-675 hours per year?
- My estimate is that it would have cost more hours than this to run well.

I think the primary reasons for this are:
- Organizations won't only rely on the common app - they'd like easy ways to get candidates, but also want to recruit on their own platforms. For many non-ops roles, they didn't really want to use it at all.
- The common app will get a lot more candidates than organizations get — it both makes it easier to apply to jobs, so will increase applications, and makes is more generic, so more people will feel qualified to apply.

Note that I looked at this from the perspective of "if we do this will we spend more time running it than the time savings for organizations" and I think the answer was yes.

RE credibility:
- A lot of organizations were worried about centralizing application processing / decision making because it creates a single point of failure.
- If you are also vetting applications, the above is worse + they have to trust you in the first place to do the vetting.
- The organizations who would have trusted us to do the vetting tended to be groups who had worked with us before on hiring and had a good experience.


Happy to have a call to talk about learnings from this, since as far as I know, my project was the closest the ecosystem has gotten to having a common app! Overall, I agree with the sense of there being lots of inefficiency in the hiring ecosystem — the complicated thing to me feels like candidates often want to solve for the problem of the candidate experience being bad, while the organizations want to solve for the problem of the organization experience being bad, and the causes of those problems are somewhat different. 

Thanks so much for sharing!

Last year, I explored building a common application for EA/AI organizations, in collaboration with a funder in the space.

Specifically, we explored a version that might work like:

• Applicants submit one application, and indicate organizations they'd be happy for application materials to be shared with.
• Applicants, based on role type or skills, might get screening interviews / work tests from the common app system.
• When an organization is ready to hire, they can quickly pull from pre-vetted candidates, skipping initial screening (since they have materials from our assessments).
• Applicants save time by going through a process once, orgs save time by getting to skip advertising and initial screening windows.
   

I surveyed several dozen organizations about this idea, and talked to a few organizations directly about it. Here's what I found:

• Organizations wanted this to exist.
  • Organizations would be happy to recruit candidates out of a shared hiring pool.
• Organizations wouldn't rely heavily on this for applicants.
  • Organizations were generally unlikely to want this to be the only source of candidates. This means that they'd still open their own applications anyway.
  • I think this is primarily due to wanting diverse candidate pools / seeing value in doing their own advertising.
  • Organizations also generally wanted candidates to go through their own application process separate from the common app - basically, organizations perceive themselves as having heterogenous application processes.
• On organizational self-reporting, no money would be saved.
  • While this process seems like it might produce savings, based on the time savings organizations reported this would generate for them, my estimate was that the cost-effectiveness of a funder paying for this service to exist was pretty low.
  • Basically, the issue is that without targeting a specific job, we end up vetting and screening a lot of people who might not be a good fit for roles in the ecosystem, and who might be quickly passed over by organizations.
  • My estimate of the time/cost it would take us to run the program, vs the self-reported time savings from organizations, was that it wasn't cost-effective / wouldn't really save the ecosystem money.

That being said, the program I explored was more comprehensive than just a common app. The issues I see with a pure common app are:

• The organization running it would need to have sufficient credibility for the organizations using it to want to forego their own application processes. I think a random person starting it would have very low credibility. My company, which had run several dozen hiring rounds for many organizations had maybe 50% the credibility necessary. This seems like a hard bar.
• Candidates have to trust the centralization — e.g. if the common app service also does vetting (which it doesn't have to do, but which has the most value for the organizations using it), then they have to do a good job, as the stakes are high!

That being said, @Nina Friedrich🔸 and High Impact Professionals is doing tons of amazing work here, including some partial implementations of some of these ideas — their talent database, with candidate consent, lists organizations that candidates were finalists with, which is really useful for hiring.

RE sharing candidate information: this practice is really widespread in the ecosystem. I get probably 3-5 emails a month asking for referrals for candidates for roles, and typically share silver medalists from our similar hiring rounds who consented to sharing. 

I think part of the disconnect is that organizations aren't really optimizing on candidate time — they are optimizing on their own time and needs (whether or not this is a mistake).

Thanks again for writing this up! I think there are huge gains to be made here, and hope my notes on my exploration of it are useful for anyone thinking about it!

Oh yeah! Sorry, missed that. But to be clear, I definitely agree that this was an important point to put out there and am glad you did! :) Thanks for writing it.

Thanks for writing this up!

One note is that I haven't really seen anyone doing welfare biology / wild animal welfare science themselves make these arguments - they've mostly been discussed in philosophy/econ papers on the topic. Interestingly, the scientists in the space seems to put much less weight on things like the Evening Out argument you describe, and generally seem to view welfare as just much more contingent on species/specific life-history factors that are hard to make abstracted claims about.

I feel less confident in this specific approach — I think downstream effects are just often very contingent. It's easy to imagine scenarios like: eliminate very bad disease 1, population goes up, now very bad disease 2 emerges or is transmitted from some other population because contact occurs, etc.

I suppose this could be less of an issue for the very worst diseases/issues, etc., but I suspect those by their nature are less common (e.g. could be self-limiting, etc), and it seems like the method would only work insofar as changing population levels, etc. doesn't increase the risk of novel worse things, which seems only possible for the very worst things.

That being said I am very sympathetic to just trying more things, at least for some animals, especially vaccinations.

Yep, I agree that the case is complicated by total welfare potentially being dominated by invertebrates. That being said, I think many people in the community who might not be motivated by helping insects or nematodes or mites might still care about shrimp, and humans still kill 25 trillion wild shrimp (!) annually.

Yep, I think farmed animal advocates sometimes miss that even if you only care about human-impacted animals (and not naturogenic suffering), the vast majority are wild animals, not farmed animals. The classic ACE graph could be replicated again with wild animals as the large boxes, and farmed animals as the small ones, and that's putting aside climate change (which impacts way more wild animals).

FWIW:

• Cooperation: We let Veganuary know about our intention to launch this campaign at the very start of our planning process and have kept them informed throughout. Our campaign provides them with another opportunity to put forward the benefits of diet change. We are all on good terms and there is absolutely no infighting.

I think it would be more useful to clarify if Veganuary supported you doing this campaign. If the answer is yes, that seems great! If the answer is no, this seems explicitly not cooperative, and in that case, it would be misleading to frame this as a cooperative effort (independent of if this was good or bad to do). I don't think whether or not Veganuary was informed was what folks were looking for, but if they endorsed the idea or did not endorse it / anti-endorsed it.

I think this just seems like a clarification worth making here given how negative the reaction has been to the campaign (from within the movement - hopefully it had a positive reaction externally!)

I think that the good opportunities in the farmed (vertebrate) animal welfare space are:

• Smaller in scale than Coefficient's budget (I think that EAs have been overestimating the cost-effectiveness of corporate campaigns for at least a few years, and the good opportunities are actually pretty limited).
• Pretty likely to be funded by non-EAs / people who will give to farmed animal welfare no matter what.

I think that there are likely a couple exceptions to this (shrimp welfare, insect farming, and some other things that Coefficient cannot fund currently), but they are fairly small in scale, and have decent routes to funding.

I think the opportunity for impact for wild animal welfare is way bigger, and it's much more "normal" (e.g. it seems like there are more viable interventions that are acceptable in the mainstream, don't require significant lifestyle changes of people, etc, WAI has gotten some traction within conservation), and generally is more neglected.

I noticed the checkbox for confirming awareness of the CC-BY license disappeared on new posts. I'm curious why the decision was made to drop it? It was useful for me personally to remind me when publishing things.