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Can't tell if the correction is joke or genuine misunderstanding, but I enjoyed this even more

Out of interest:

  1. What are your other two priorities?
  2. How will you know if you've been successful in "improving your comms"? Curious to hear if you have a more specific okr here
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James Herbert
2mo
Hey!  Our other priorities for 2024 are GCR field building and investing in our volunteering programme. We'll do this alongside maintaining our more established programmes e.g., our national EA crash course, our support for organisers around the country, and our co-working office. In terms of measuring success, we still need to develop the strategy, so it is not currently possible to say in detail how we will evaluate it. Broadly speaking, we want to increase awareness of, and inclination towards, effective altruism amongst proto-EAs in the Netherlands. We also want to ensure inclination remains high amongst the general public once they become aware of us. Therefore, to evaluate the impact of this work, we will probably conduct surveys to measure awareness and inclination amongst proto-EAs and the general public before and after the interventions outlined in the strategy, whatever they may be, are implemented.  Of course we'll also keep an eye on basic comms metrics like newsletter subscribers, LinkedIn followers, etc. And downstream metrics like intro programme completions, etc.  For Q1 our comms OKR is as follows: Objective: Comms - develop our strategy (ready to be handed to volunteer team)    Key Results   1. Get 100 survey responses for our Dutch proto-EA marketing survey by March 8th (this asks about media consumption habits, barriers faced, recommendations for media platforms/influencers, etc). 2. Internal publication of an analysis of the survey's results by March 15th (we're probably going to miss this deadline, in the end, we decided to rely on a volunteer for the analysis) 3. Internal publication of a communications strategy (in the style of Rumelt) consisting of a diagnosis, guiding policy, and a set of coherent actions by March 22nd (again, we're probably going to miss this target) 4. Recruit a team of 3+ volunteers by March 31st to help us implement the strategy (supplementing the marketing strategist and the google ads marketeer we've alread

How much did this impact assessment cost to commission? Are you open to others reaching out to commission similar assessments?

(Feel free to DM your responses if you prefer, though I expect others might benefit from this info too)

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Sam Holton
3mo
Yes we're definitely interested in doing more work along these lines! Personally, I think there are returns-to-scale to doing these kinds of assessments across similar programs since we can compare across programs and draw more general lessons. Probably the best way for people to contact us in general is to email us at hi@arbresearch.com. Misha and I can have a few meetings with you to determine if/how we can help. I'm going to refrain from giving you a cost estimate since it's not really my department and depends pretty heavily on how many participants you have, the kinds of things you want to measure, etc. But we have flexibility and work with orgs of all budgets/sizes.

What's the forum etiquette on advertising jobs?

Context: Training for Good is hiring for two exciting roles. I expect a bunch of great applicants to be here, right now, on this forum.

BUT I suspect that top level posts advertising jobs decreases the average user's experience. Maybe that's outweighed by the possibility of TFG reaching a top candidate (but I'm motivated to believe that so don't really trust it). Plus, it feels like a tragedy of the commons type scenario. So I've decided to post it as a short form quick take instead.

___________

Training for Good... (read more)

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Amber Dawn
9mo
Just echoing the others that I like job listings - I've often applied for things because I saw them advertized on the Forum (or sent them to others who were looking)
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Lorenzo Buonanno
9mo
I think job listings are one of the most valuable things on the forum, I'm surprised you're even asking! There's even a Job listing (open) tag, that you've used in the past with wild success. It was the success story for the forum from the past 6 months. I personally would heavily encourage people to post more job advertisements on the Forum, and let users vote on them, especially roles at extremely impact-oriented orgs like Training for Good. Is your experience as a user decreased by the current top-level posts advertising jobs?

Not sure why you unendorsed this.

I run Training for Good & also found this wild!

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Nathan Young
9mo
so I misread it. (I thought the course was run by the EU) why do you think it's wild? surely the forum is a central vector of EA stuff?

After a quick read, this was my first thought too (ie that promoting & advocating for the use of "what three words" might be an easier solution)

Curious why you chose the name "the GPI" (Global Prosperity Institute)?

Seems ripe for confusion with GPI (Global Priorities Institute)

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Arno
10mo
Yeah, we weren't aware of global priorities institute until after we'd already set everything up. All good though, not a lot of overlap

Yep, we discontinued it. We suggest using the EA Opportunities Board instead: https://ea-internships.pory.app/

Great work - excited to see so much growth across the podcast, one-on-one service & job board! I'm curious about web engagement though.

Web engagement hours fell by 20% in 2021, then grew by 38% in 2022 after we increased investment in our marketing

This implies that engagement hours rose by ~10% in 2022 compared to 2020. This is less than I would have expected given the marketing budget rose from $120k in 2021 to $2.65m in 2022. I'm assuming it was also ~$120k in 2020 (but this might not be true). Even if we exclude the free book giveaway (~£1m),... (read more)

Hey! Arden here, also from 80,000 Hours. I think I can add a few things here on top of what Bella said, speaking more to the web content side of the question:

(These are additional to the 'there's a headwind on engagement time' part of Bella's answer above – though they less important I think compared to the points Bella already mentioned about a 'covid spike' in engagement time in 2020 and marketing not getting going strong until the latter half of 2022 .)

  1. The career guide (https://80000hours.org/career-guide/) was very popular. In 2019 we deprioritised

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Hey Cillian — thanks so much for a really thoughtful/detailed question! 

I'll take this one since I was the only staff member on marketing last year :)

The short answer is: 

  • Marketing ramped up considerably over the second half of 2022. Web engagement time grew a lot more in the second half of 2022 as well — if we just compare Q3 &Q4 2020 and 2022, engagement time grew 50% (rather than 10%).
  • But that still doesn't look like web engagement time rising precisely in step with marketing investment, as you point out!
    • We don't know all the reasons why,
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Sounds like something @Hamish Doodles could do (if they were interested / thought this was sufficiently worthwhile)

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Hamish McDoodles
1y
I'm not not interested in this idea.  I think the hard part would be coming up with ideas and writing copy for the calendar. Illustrations are time consuming but straightforward (and fun), and there are probably plug-and-play services for manufacture and distribution.  One project I'm working on is compressing EA-related material into tweet form (eg), and a curated selection of these could form the backbone of the copy. I've made a note in my calendar on September 1 next year to revisit this idea and see if I've got enough raw material for put something together for 2024. If someone else wants to participate (writing, ideas, illustrations, or even accountability check-ins), DM me or leave a comment and this'll be much more likely to happen.

Nice! Can you provide an update when it's ready on Google Podcasts?

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peterhartree
1y
Google Podcast links: * All audio * Curated posts (coming soon... I've emailed Google support team) * Summaries I've added these links to the OP.
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peterhartree
1y
Sure, I'll post back. I submitted a week ago and they're taking ages. It's known that they sometimes take a while but this case seems unusual. Dashboard shows no errors but if it's not there by Friday I will try to find a Googler to speak to...

I think this comment would be much more helpful if it linked to the relevant posts about Leverage rather than just called Geoff a "known cult leader".

(On phone right now but may come back and add said links later unless Guy / others do)

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Guy Raveh
1y
Edited

Fwiw this doesn't line up with my experience at all as someone who previously participated.

(n = 1 but I'd be very surprised to hear that the sentiment you describe above was commonplace among people who previously participated)

Suggestion: consider including a brief summary of the report in this forum post (e.g. the "key takeaways" section).

I've copied it below for ease

 

KEY TAKEAWAYS

  1. There is no escape hatch for humanity, nor for the rich. Shelters that can reliably protect even a small group of humans against catastrophes that would otherwise make humanity extinct are probably infeasible due to multiple technical, psychological, social, political, and economic issues. Constructing “escape hatches” for the few, particularly for the rich and the powerful, would probably increa
... (read more)
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Janne M. Korhonen
2y
Thank you - should've considered that myself. 

See also the Tarbell Fellowship, a one year programme for early-career journalists interested in covering important topics such as global poverty & existential risks.

(Applications for the 2023 intake close on October 9th)

Note: we’re happy to pay a $200 bounty for notes on the Red Teaming Handbook that we’d like to add to this post.

 

I took some rough notes while reading this handbook (mostly copy & pasted from the handbook itself). Happy for someone to use this as a jumping off point and claim the bounty for themselves :)

Pocket might be another option to consider.

  • They have a chrome plug-in which makes saving articles pretty easy (on EA Forum & elsewhere).
  • You can search within your saved articles on Pocket.
  • The mobile app lets you listen to articles using TTS software.

Are you able to relay what they said about why it wouldn't work?

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Yonatan Cale
2y
I asked for permission now to share it

Really great to see RP continuing to expand. I'm particularly excited by your Research Fellow roles - they look like a great opportunity for aspiring researchers to upskill!

 

RP staff consistently rate RP extremely highly on measures like psychological safety, as well as questions like “RP is a good place to work.” For the latter question, we’ve never had an internal survey where a staff member hasn’t answered 5/5 on a Likert scale.

This is quite impressive. I'd love to see you write up a full post diving into how you've cultivated such a positive internal culture - would love to learn from your experience.

Thanks! We are happy to be a good place to work and will keep that idea in mind for the future.

Thanks Simon! Currently, we don't plan to provide a financial reward to the winning team (though I must admit, we haven't given this much thought). It's a good point though & we'll consider it further in the coming weeks. 

If anyone reading this is interested in funding an award for the winning team, please do get in touch.

I imagine we'll continue to run Red Team Challenge somewhere between 1-4 times per year moving forward (though this largely depends on how well the first iteration goes).

Thanks for flagging this Kaleem, it should now be fixed. Let me know if you're still having issues :)

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Kaleem
2y
It's fixed - thanks !

Yep, it's possible to apply as a team (of up to 4 people). Though we expect that most people will apply as individuals and that we'll assign them to a team.

It's also possible to apply with an idea that you'd like to red team. Though, again, we expect most people to apply without an idea and will provide a suggested list for participants.

Very excited to see this!

For anyone interested in applying for these roles, Training for Good is running a beta test of our grantmaking training programme starting w/c 28th March.  We're looking for 5-10 people with relevant experience to participate in an 8 week scaled down programme. Time commitment would be ~5 hours per week.

Here's a very rough overview of the programme for anyone who's interested. It will culminate in a "capstone project" which could hopefully be used in your application for these (or other) roles as an example of your thinking &a... (read more)

Thanks for writing this up Ollie!

I'm designing a grantmaking training programme for Training for Good at the moment and have spoken with ~20 grantmakers across different cause areas over the past few weeks. Just wanted to add that your perspective seemed to be broadly shared by others working in the space - ie that to be excellent at grantmaking you need to be an excellent generalist with a strong object-level understanding of a specific field first.

If anyone reading this fits Ollie's description and is interested in exploring grantmaking, let me know. (We... (read more)

It seems that FTX's Regranting Program could be a great way to scalably distribute funds & build the grantmaker pipeline.

We (Training for Good) are also developing a grantmaker training programme like what James has described here to help build up EA's grantmaking capacity (which could complement FTX's Regranting Program nicely). It will likely be an 8 week, part-time programme, with a small pot of "regranting" money for each participant and we're pretty excited to launch this in the next few months.

In the meantime, we're looking for 5-10 people to bet... (read more)

  1. Selective grantmaker fellowships (in the format of a 6-8 week course) organised by an organisation that's either focused on upskilling EAs (e.g. Training for Good) or grantmaking specifically. This would almost definitely need to be run by at least one experienced grantmaker for it to be worthwhile.


We (Training for Good) are actually developing a grantmaker training programme like what you've described here to help build up EA's grantmaking capacity. It will likely be an 8 week, part-time programme, with a small pot of "regranting" money for each participa... (read more)

A way around this could be to provide e-books and audio books instead of physical copies. Would also make the distribution easier.

(In the UK at least, it's possible to borrow e & audio from your local library using the Libby app)

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mic
2y
I think print books are still preferred by more readers compared to e-books. You might as well donate the books in both the physical and digital formats and probably also as an audiobook. It looks like libraries don't generally have an official way for you to donate print books virtually or to donate e-books, so I think you would have to inquire with them about whether you can make a donation and ask them to use that to buy specific books. Note that the cost of e-book licenses to libraries is many times the consumer sale price.
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Greg_Colbourn
2y
I imagine that e-book systems (text and audio) work via access to large libraries, rather than needing people to request books be added individually? So maybe there is no action needed on this front (although someone should probably check that most EA books are available in such collections).

We'd be pretty excited to see applications from group organisers. I think it's a really important role and imagine that coaching could help multiply the impact of a lot of organisers!

Thanks for the question Miranda! We think coaching could be beneficial to a lot of different people. A few groups we had in mind that might particularly benefit from this coaching include:

  • EAs leading organizations (both non EA and EA orgs)
  • EAs managing (small) teams within EA orgs / EA chapters
  • EAs outside of EA orgs that work in roles where human interaction is very important for relative success. Examples might include policymaking, grantmaking or some E2G roles
  • Early career EAs currently on high impact career trajectories (eg. on track to enter an 80k
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It's mainly designed for the for-profit case but I'd be excited to see academics working on important topics use this programme to negotiate for non-monetary benefits that could increase their impact!

Although some of the content would not be 100% relevant, most of the tools we cover are cross-applicable to any negotiation. The basic framework of the programme would also allow participants to replace "salary goal" with their alternative negotiation goal.

 Training for Good is currently developing a training programme for aspiring EA grantmakers. Although it's still in development, we're hoping that the programme will end with a "capstone project" in which trainees make real grant allocations (funded by external donors). This would give donors the opportunity to support future grantmakers.

I've sent you a PM about this but keen to chat with anyone else that might be interested.

Your specific idea for an entrepreneurship training programme for high-schoolers sounds like a really interesting one.

I'm somewhat sceptical that such a programme targeting high-schoolers is the right approach to solving this skill gap though. The entrepreneurship gap seems like an important but difficult one to solve (eg. see Longtermist Entrepreneurship Project). Charity Entrepreneurship has had success in this area, but they've typically targeted graduates & people further along in their career. I would imagine that most high-schoolers would neither... (read more)

Great question Jack! 

We don't have much data on the tractability of convincing mid-career professionals to switch into EA careers (though we'd be excited to see any evidence supporting or contradicting this if it exists).  Our main reason for targeting mid-career professionals over promising high-schoolers is that we think the information value of doing so is higher. This group possesses a lot of relevant skills and has typically been quite neglected by EA outreach, so we're excited to test out this approach. If we found that drawing experie... (read more)