Yellow (Daryl)

26Joined Sep 2021


EAGxBerkeley: Dec 2nd, Save the Date

Thanks, heads up your second link is broken

Dinner & Discussion @ The Lodge

Incorrect registration form? Says 'at capacity for July's dinner', but this is for August. 

Why are people so hostile to the idea that sweatshops are a net positive?

I think they mean buy from sweatshop compared to counterfactual fair trade place. Not sure if they mean donating the difference in money saved as well. 

What are the ethics of eating carnivorous animals?

Good q! To splat some thinking, The act of eating harms no animal so I interpret you to mean economic consumption. Fish killed by humans usually have worse deaths than naturally, but also trophic impacts, I think it's unclear what the effects are and so would favor supporting economically top charities such as fish welfare initiative for better cost effectiveness. Hope these thoughts help!

“One should love one’s neighbor more than oneself.”

I think the majority of people who interact here aren't strictly just existing to be of service people!

Well I can best speak for myself, I mainly enjoy EA to the extent that I have some % of me or some desire to do some good. I enjoy that EA helps me do good better(even in maybe only certain areas ex. animals).

Your free to choose for yourself to help others if that's what you(or a % of your multiple desires) wants to do! If there is some desire to help others, let's figure out how to help them more effectively!

You Don't Need To Justify Everything

Thanks for posting! I especially like the part you mentioned on how it's possible to slip into a mindset of justification/motivated reasoning of past actions as being cost effective for happiness for productivity! Daniel Kirmani made a comment here more in depth about it that makes me think about the book The Elephant In The Brain that expands on this idea in depth(you may have already heard of it).

New cause area: bivalve aquaculture

Thanks for posting! I think it's great to think about ways to use the large differences in suffering per calorie depending on what species is being farmed to our advantage to increase animal welfare.

Non-EAs are receptive to a proposal to substitute bivalves for other meat. They are not receptive to proposals to go vegetarian/vegan.

This is a better source about it being difficult to influence dietary change (via method of documentaries) 

The greater tractability of dietary change to increase bivalve consumption(reducing other animal consumption) is likely the strongest point in support of bivalve farming. I think(85%) that influencing people to substitute for bivalve consumption will be quite similar in difficulty to influencing people to go more veg*n. Some people who identify as vegan also consume bivalves anyways so this may not be an either/or though. Nudging people away from the worst in suffering per calorie is always better so it.

On price I don't think(65%) scallops(which you compared) are the cheapest of the bivalves? May be better options!

Depending on what it substitutes for, it would also reduce crop farming and associated rodent/insect deaths

This is an interesting point! Animals require a lotta farmland for food. I'm not sure there's any strong agreement though that reducing amount of crop farmland is good for animal welfare compared to counterfactual re-wilded land, or the counterfactual how the wild animals in the farmland would have died anyways. 

can clean up polluted water.

xD Be careful with this point there seems to be a tradeoff between cleaning polluted water and health, from that article:

As they filter water, the bivalves' tissues absorb some of the chemicals and pathogens that are present - things like herbicides, pharmaceuticals and flame retardants

Stuff I buy and use: a listicle to boost your consumer surplus and productivity

Great post thanks so much!! I really appreciate the concern for animals and learned a few things about some supplements I may want to consider taking while on a plant based diet(been forgetting to take my b12 and eat cruciferous veggies owa)

On your recommendation for Choline though, it's an essential nutrient, but I think consuming too much of it can be harmful for health:

"Our gut bacteria can turn choline into the toxic byproduct and cardiotoxicant TMAO—trimethylamine oxide—which is then absorbed back into our system within only an hour of consumption. The more eggs we eat, the higher the choline and TMAO levels we have, and the higher the risk we may have for heart disease and other diseases. Choline, as well as carnitine in red meat, can be turned into TMAO, which is associated with inflammation and a significantly higher risk of heart disease, heart attack, stroke, or death within a three-year period."

What should we actually do in response to moral uncertainty?

But for every action that is considered moral under one moral theory, there is an equal, and opposite moral theory that says that action is not moral. 


Maybe instead of just other moral theories, it would have to be a 'significant moral theory' based on some metric(like popularity?). But that has it's flaws too.


I think I may check out that book and sequence to get a feel of what's already been thought about on this subject

Focus on Civilizational Resilience over Cause Areas

Thanks for the write up. 

To add some more suggestions to how generalist resilience may come about, check this out by 80k: 

I'm currently unsure of what to think about your claim that generalist resilience needs to be upscaled by that large factor. This is mainly due to being unsure about what proportion of efforts is currently being directed there. Do you know anything about the distribution of efforts already at generalist resilience?

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