All of Dvir Caspi's Comments + Replies

Very well put, thanks. 
I feel that starting with "epistemic status" has [some!] similar aspects to p(doom). It's a lot of fun for us but beginning an argument in real life with "Epistemic Status" loses in a split second. 

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Isaac King
3mo
Yeah, I don't do it on any non-LW/EAF post.

I am so excited to read this summary and these results! Thank you and everyone involved for bringing and sharing the gift of group therapy with EA.  

I listened to this post  through the Non-Linear Library yesterday, thanks for writing this.
I think this post misses several things - (sorry if you already addressed some of these and I missed it).  

1. Most people struggle to "think big" (related: Scope Insensitivity). It is hard and unintuitive to fathom that Charity X could be three orders of magnitude more effective than Charity Y. 

2. Most people want practical certainty. Cultivated meat could be huge for the world. But it is still very uncertain whether this could be affordable in the for... (read more)

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Johan de Kock
1y
Hi Dvir, thank you for sharing your thoughts and raising some interesting points. I appreciate the insights and would like to address each of them in the context of my original post and previous responses. 1. Your first point about scope insensitivity and the difficulty for people to "think big" is well-taken. This ties in nicely with your third point about many people not believing they are capable of "doing something big." I completely agree that these challenges exist, which is why I believe it is important to help people gain this confidence in themselves. As expressed previously, I am quite skeptical to what extent the existing introduction track actually enables people to build this. Surely, people can learn about the fact that we live in a very important time and that each of us can make a big impact, but I think that real belief in yourself and ambitiousness stems from seeing evidence of the things you have already accomplished. It also comes from a deep understanding of who you are, where you come from, and what you are about. This is what I try to address with the PLP Track partially. The point you bring up is very important in my eyes, and I think one of the most influential factors in people considering high-impact opportunities. 2. I appreciate your point about the importance of financial security and stability in people's lives. As you rightly pointed out (I think), many people need to have their basic needs met before they can focus on higher-level goals, such as making a positive impact in the world. This highlights the importance of presenting EA as not only a path to do good but also as a means to achieve personal fulfillment and security. Emphasizing the variety of careers and opportunities within the EA community that can provide both financial stability and the chance to make a difference could be a powerful motivator for many individuals. 3. This leads me to my last point. The perception of doing good as a sacrifice is indeed a challenge th

As someone who has been deeply into community building for years (most of it outside EA), I am biting my lip yet upvoting this.  I deeply agree that "Being an EA" as an identity has problematic implications, to say the least.  While I have many thoughts, for now I'll just highlight what you wrote which for me is the most important: "[we should be] convincing individuals to consider the ideas, not to “join EA.”". 

Much appreciation and respect for Inga, Emily and everyone involved behind the scences. Thank you so much for doing this and helping the community process and grow from this. 

I appreciate the post (even though I have no idea what Lawful Good / Neutral means etc. haha). 
I think it is a good time to remind ourselves that EAs in general (including myself) have a tendency for over-responsibility. And feeling responsible for things which are broader than our scope makes us feel bad... I like the plumber example and the Sequoia Capital example.  If the big VC got fooled, how can I not get fooled? And the plumber rightfully deserves money for his sweat, even if this money is dirty. The plumber did not know this in advance.  
 

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Matt Goodman
1y
Lawful good/ neutral is part of a Dungeons and Dragons character's 'alignment' chart. It's a way people sometimes use to describe people's morality and motivations in real life. https://www.wnyc.org/story/the-chart-that-explains-everyone-character-alignment/

I think this is a very valuable comment. 
As someone who loves sports, the main reason we have such incredible talent is due to the players desire to replace each other all the time. Every minute they compete, another player must sit on the bench. Their desire is so deep, that we end up with extremely talented leagues,  which makes it so fun to watch. An "I want to be replaced" mindset might not motivate them to wake up at 6:00 to hit the gym. But what is true for professional athletes is also true for us. We also "hit the gym", all the time. To o... (read more)

Hi, Marius. 
If, while writing this post, you had wished that it would deeply influence even one reader – congrats. 
After listening to this post about three times through the Non-Linear Library, and reading it another couple times here, “I want to be replaced” has been on my mind since. 

After a couple months of deliberation, I am finally ready to provide my ten-cent commentary. It will be mostly around the “By a better partner” and “By a better employee” sections. 

First and foremost, I will explain why this has been so influential for me... (read more)

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mariushobbhahn
2y
I think that while this is hard, the person I want to be would want to be replaced in both cases you describe.  a) Even if you stay single, you should want to be replaced because it would be better for all three involved. Furthermore, you probably won't stay single forever and find a new (potentially better fitting) partner. b) If you had very credible evidence that someone else was not hired who is much better than you, you should want to be replaced IMO. But I guess it's very implausible that you can make this decision better since you have way less information than the university or employer. So this case is probably not very applicable in real life.

Regarding neurological measurements - there is actually really significant fMRI work which demonstrates lack of empathy and fearlessness. I would recommend reading some of the work by Prof. Abigail Marsh  

This post inspired me a lot... Thank you. 

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Ging Geronimo
2y
Thanks, Dvir. 

I cannot put into word how deeply I appreciate your work. Thank you and everyone involved.  
p.s love the logo.

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Andres Jimenez
2y
Thanks a lot!  Hearing that people out there care as much as us about this topic, really gives us a big energy boost.   PS: we're really proud of our logo as well ;) Thanks to the Charity Entrepreneurship team for their help with it and to Jennifer from Fish Welfare Initiative (...she knows why)   

Good idea, added this point to the pitch.  :) 

Well done!! 

I would absolutely love if you will post these results to our FB group Psychologists for Effective Altruism. (Please Join!)  

Have you tried publishing your results to Mental Health Innovation Network? It is a fantastic organization and they try to promote such novel interventions. 

And I'm sure that if your N was a bit bigger you would have reached the statistical significance that would show that BROAD is superior to the Light Box!! 


 

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Fabienne
2y
Thanks so much! I'm already in this group, thanks for the reminder to post there. Just did it :)

Hey guys, took some time to revise my post - clarifying bullets, adding a few examples, and most importantly - making a true "elevator pitch" section before my elaboration. 

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david_reinstein
2y
which one? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GFISlF5TieCuA6jDYkYlNWaEpuEYrr_zTmaVpTfBg4A/edit#heading=h.iqq0k5uqyg8x https://bit.ly/unjournal https://app.gitbook.com/o/-MfFk4CTSGwVOPkwnRgx/s/-MkORcaM5xGxmrnczq25/plan-of-action

All I have to say is that I'm  a huge fan. Thank you and please keep us updated!  

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david_reinstein
2y
Thanks. Watch this space and also https://freeourknowledge.org/.

I like this post, a lot, thanks Richard!
I think you are addressing two things - 

1. The first is something called "burnout" - in which you feel absolutely depleted and exhausted from your work. EAers are more prone to this, because you feel a lot of weight on your shoulders when you work on something that its success or failure could impact peoples lives. Even more prone are EAers that are activists, working on projects that do not enjoy common support - and even the opposite. I can share from my personal experience I had as an Animal Rights activist -... (read more)

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Ben Williamson
2y
I'm guessing you've probably seen this already if you're interested in burnout for EAs but this is a good article on the topic published a few years ago on the Forum (though I'm sure a new article could add additional value!)

I read now, well.. it's a pretty cynical post. While there are obviously those books that give you false magical hopes for instant relief, and it's fun to joke about them, I am not a fan of the cynical tone. Some people say cynicism is the opposite of hope, and I kinda agree. While it's good to criticize, Mental health and health in general are supposed to be  fields of hope. Obviously not false hope, but there are objective and subjective reasons for hope in treatment. 
However, there are still some important points in the post which I am definitely noting down.  

That's a great perspective, appreciate it!! Inspires me.
Tiny side note - clinical psychologist not psychiatrist (psychiatrists are also in mental health, but are medical doctors, and can prescribe medications). 

Thank you for your comment. I would like to address your first point. While gov. funds do need a political push,  and that societal change is trickier than thought, general innovation in Mental Health that could benefit society does not require any grand political change or push. There is meaningful innovation already both in non-profit and for-profit sectors. And your example of Gates' funds that if he tries to directly fund health in general he will run out of money, it's obviously true. But that doesn't mean that careful capital couldn't be allocated to promising health innovations for-profit and non-profit, similarly to many other fields.  

Thank you, I will definitely definitely read. 

Hi Uri, thanks for your reply. :) 
While Mental Health is neglected in terms of government funds, it is not neglected at all in terms of the number of people who are interested in this field. Many are. So by this criteria it doesn't line up with the EA mindset.  
Regarding the highly solvable or tractable, I think this is very challenging to evaluate.. But this could and should be a further discussion.
Regarding the Happier Lives Institute, I have read some of their posts and reports, but admit that I am not familiar enough.  Mental Health Innovation Network is also a great organization in this space. 

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UriKatz
3y
From a broad enough perspective no cause area EA deals with is neglected. Poverty? Billions donated annually. AI? Every other start up uses it. So we start narrowing it down: poverty -> malaria-> bednets. There is every reason to believe mental health has neglected yet tractable and highly impactful areas, because of the size of the problem as you outline it, and because mental health touches all of us all the time in everything we do (when by health we don’t just mean the absence of disease but the maximization of wellbeing). I think EA concepts are here to challenge us. Being a clinical psychiatrist is amazing, you can probably help hundreds of people. Could you do more? What’s going on in other parts of the globe, where is humanity headed towards in the future? This challenge does not have to be burdensome, it can be inspiring. It should certainly not paralyze you and prevent you from doing any good at all. Like a mathematician obsessed with proving a theorem, or a physicist relentlessly searching for the theory of everything, they also do other work, but never give up the challenge.