All of Eevee🔹's Comments + Replies

Wait, I just found this in YouTube's algorithm. One of the funnier comments about Peter:

Did Ronny just interview Klepper with a glue-on beard?

Anecdotally, it seems like many employers have become more selective about qualifications, particularly in tech where the market got really competitive in 2024 - junior engineers were suddenly competing with laid-off senior engineers and FAANG bros.

Also, per their FAQ, Capital One has a policy not to select candidates who don't meet the basic qualifications for a role. One Reddit thread says this is also true for government contractors. Obviously this may vary among employers - is there any empirical evidence on how often candidates get hired without meeti... (read more)

Have applications for EAG San Francisco already closed? The website states that the application deadline is February 1, but the application form only includes checkboxes for London and NYC.

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RobertHarling
Hi Eevee, thank you for flagging! There was an error in our system. Applications for EAG SF should be open again now and will close on Feb 1 11:59pm PT as listed on the website. Please contact hello@eaglobal.org if you run into any more issues!

This is great!

(Not sure if you already know this, but posting it in case it's helpful to anyone) Not-so-pro tip: your distributor only pays your sound recording royalties; streaming services send the mechanical and/or performance royalties for the underlying musical composition to a CMO (such as PRS for Music in the UK) which pays you separately.

On Spotify, composition royalties are about 1/5 of the share of revenue that Spotify pays to the owners of sound recordings, so realistically, it's probably just a few extra cents from streaming alone. But I feel l... (read more)

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Nia🔸
Thanks, Eevee - I had no idea about this. I better collect those 2 micro-cents!

How did Sam "win"? The press coverage of him since the FTX collapse has been overwhelmingly negative. The EA movement has been caught up in that as collateral damage, but some works have criticized Sam for "twisting" EA, like the podcast Spellcaster.

...why you just assume it will be a positive representation of EAs?

No, I'm not making any assumptions about the movies being released.

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barkbellowroar
I'm starting to realize we may be talking past each other because of different vantage points in the movement. Sam 'won' the openai board coup by getting reinstated as CEO. He also 'won' in the sense of positive optics given how much silicon valley rushed to defend/support him during that situation. Your comment suggests we're reading different press coverage, but specifically during that event, the press for Sam was positive and for the EA movement negative. Even now, I wouldn't say press for him has been 'overwhelmingly' negative. Yes, the tides are shifting toward people being weary of AI, but imo that shift isn't happening fast enough. There is some positive press/support for ai safety work, but I don't feel like it's enough by comparison. 

How do we know that the portrayals of EA in these films are going to be negative, let alone unfair? I think that suing is premature.

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barkbellowroar
From a Hollywood 'we sell drama as entertainment' lens - in a conflict someone has to be the 'hero' (they are right) the audience roots for and  someone as the 'antagonist' (they are wrong) - who do you think that's going to be? To the victor goes the spoils... ultimately Sam 'won' so do you think the representation will be in EA's favor? We can guess too from the press coverage from that time which was skewed largely pro-sam, anti-ea language, even from non-tech sources (finance, politics, entertainment). From the outside looking in, most people do not understand what EA is and therefore misconstrue our work because it is deliberately simplified in the press (and mixed in with the MIRI/Bay rationality crowd) to "they think terminator will kill us all" - which to the public at large (who, yes, is ignorant about the dangers of technology) but this sounds juvenile/fear-mongering/cultish.  (Which is why improving our communication of the issues to a lay audience is so critical and seems to be undervalued or perhaps bottlenecked by talent/resources).  That, plus a general negative shift following SBF/FTX still lingering on people's minds...  I'm curious as to why you just assume it will be a positive representation of EAs? 

Would you folks be up to make this series available as a podcast? I think I'd find it easier to listen to a 40-minute podcast episode while doing other things (with the option to watch video in the Spotify app) than to stay seated in front of a screen for 40 minutes.

You could create a charity fundraiser on GoFundMe or Every.org and match the donations yourself.

If you want to automate the donation matching, I'd suggest batching the donations and only charging the fundraiser creator for the total amount every 14 days or when the fundraiser ends, rather than creating a matching transaction for every donation. That would cut down on payment processing fees.

You could also experiment with authorization holds on the user's credit card - they basically hold a certain amount of money hostage on the credit card to make sure tha... (read more)

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maximilianoliver
Interesting! Thank you so much for replying!  I'm interested in making it automated. It's a real pain to get the proper permissioning to hold funds in escrow so my initial pass would be to just have the campaign starter fully donate their amount at the start (since most people who make matching campaigns will ultimately donate the same max amount of money) and then have an 'unlock' that occurs as other people donate (with integration to every.org to verify the charity etc). However the authorization holds is an interesting idea. Good if you want to actually have it just match what other people donate!   A consideration though is that authorization holds only last 7 days according to Stripe limiting the campaign time. 

Not necessarily. It's more that funding gaps of c3's can be more easily filled by big foundations (which are also c3's), whereas donations from c3's to c4's are restricted. That makes it more valuable, ceteris paribus, for individuals to fill c4 funding gaps.

Also, the "50% bonus" only applies if you itemize deductions; many people use the standard deduction, including some people who earn more than six figures.

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dan.pandori
Makes sense, thanks!

Best practices and pitfalls in EA-aligned campaigns for public office

Thank you for this candid and informative post. I agree that we need to allocate more resources to advocacy (but hopefully not at the expense of research!).

I also wanted to signal boost your advice to 501(c)(3)'s in your previous post on orphaned policies, in case it's relevant to anyone reading this thread:

Admittedly, most research work is funded by 501(c)(3) donations that cannot pay for more than a small amount of direct political advocacy. However, there are ways to word the conclusion of a research paper that provide clear guidance without crossing th

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Lorenzo Buonanno🔸
Someone just mentioned that they accidentally pledged twice in 2015 and 2022, so we merged the accounts and we're back at 10,000 😅

If you would like to receive email updates about any future research endeavours that continue the mission of the Global Priorities Institute, you can also sign up here.

I signed up for the mailing list! Is there any other way to support research similar to GPI's work—for instance, would it make sense to donate to Forethought Foundation?

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barkbellowroar
That's great Eevee! Forethought has shifted to focusing on AGI (so yes, I'm sure they need support, but it isn't doing work like GPI, just to be clear). There is a list at the bottom of the page of other organizations but none of them work directly on the philosophical approach to cause and resource prioritization - which is what made GPI so valuable to the movement. My best recommendation would be to broadly support groups like Givewell, Giving What We Can and the Life You Can Save since they do some level of research (really all groups do). You could also follow specific researchers work and reach out directly to see if they need support. 

What if there was an effective giving org that partnered with movie studios to pledge a portion of their revenue to thematically relevant high-impact charities? e.g. "5% of gross box office revenue from Chicken Run Super 3D! will be donated to Legal Impact for Chickens"

Seeing the unexpected success of KPop Demon Hunters (released in June 2025) made me think of this idea again. Imagine how cool it would be if next year's summer blockbusters used their reach for a good cause? This initiative would also diversify the EA funding base away from finance and tech.

I suppose you could say he petered out

Disclosure: Possible conflict of interest here. I donated close to $900 to SPI in November 2024 based on information they shared with me privately about their work and confirmation of their activities from a mutual contact. This was a large portion of my giving last year, which may bias me towards wanting to believe they will have impact.

I appreciate that you folks did a review of SPI, but why publish this linkpost without a description?

Also, is there really no information you can share about SPI's work so far? This doesn't match my impression of the work they were up to. I'm happy to follow up with them about their progress and share what I find out here, provided that they don't object.

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VettedCauses
Hi Eevee, thanks for the comment.  We searched for publicly available information about SPI's work, and also reached out directly to SPI. We shared multiple drafts of the review with SPI and, between drafts, specifically asked for information about their work. However, SPI told us there wasn’t any work we could include in the review. 

This is a pretty grounded take. The only thing that bugs me is this passage, in the introduction:

The national media spotlight focused on sweatshops in 1996 after Charles Kernaghan, of the National Labor Committee, accused Kathy Lee Gifford of exploiting children in Honduran sweatshops. He flew a 15 year old worker, Wendy Diaz, to the United States to meet Kathy Lee. Kathy Lee exploded into tears and apologized on the air, promising to pay higher wages.

Should Kathy Lee have cried? Her Honduran workers earned 31 cents per hour. At 10 hours per day, which is

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Thanks for sharing! This is probably an abuse of notation, but I clicked the check mark reaction as a note-to-self that I completed the survey, even though it typically means "agree".

Should we send this to our non-EA friends too?

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DavidB
Thank you for helping out! You're more than welcome to do so, but I won't be incorporating their responses into my work. It might be interesting to get their responses to anyway though. I could share the data then. Any thoughts? @Eevee🔹 

Oooh, I'd better get to work on my SBF musical 😂

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Matrice Jacobine🔸🏳️‍⚧️
Eh eh eh.
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Charlie_Guthmann
https://suno.com/song/be4cc4e2-15b2-42e7-b87f-86e367c0673d 

Yeah, he is. He was played by Joseph Mazzello.

Does anyone know what's going on with Apart Research's funding situation? I participated in one of their AI safety hackathons and it propelled me into the world of AIS research, so I'm sad to hear that they might be forced to shut down or downsize. They're trying to raise nearly a million dollars in the next month.

You can donate to AMF via PayPal Giving Fund on this page and to Giving What We Can here. Currently, 100% of the donation amount goes to charity, as PayPal covers all payment processing fees on donations through this portal. I haven't tried making a small donation recently, but it looks like there is no minimum amount you can donate, and users regularly make $1 donations through the Give at Checkout feature. (Caveat: These links may only work in certain countries.)

I've included a screenshot below of the user interface for when you donate, though I didn't c... (read more)

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Jason
(A $1 test donation worked for me a minute ago.)
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Habeeb Abdul🔹
Thanks for sharing!  I also tried donating to AMF via PayPal, and it worked!! :)

I've been thinking a lot about how mass layoffs in tech affect the EA community. I got laid off early last year, and after job searching for 7 months and pivoting to trying to start a tech startup, I'm on a career break trying to recover from burnout and depression.

Many EAs are tech professionals, and I imagine that a lot of us have been impacted by layoffs and/or the decreasing number of job openings that are actually attainable for our skill level. The EA movement depends on a broad base of high earners to sustain high-impact orgs through relatively smal... (read more)

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Chris Leong
"I think it's incumbent on us to support each other more to help each other get back to a place where we can earn to give or otherwise have a high impact again." - Do you have any thoughts on what kind of support would be most useful?

I was thinking of a different organization, but thanks!

Does anyone remember which EA org lets people specify in their wills that they are leaving money to effective charities?

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Cullen 🔸
https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/get-involved/bequests

Great work!

Please note, if you copied substantial portions of the "Intro to effective altruism" article, you should include a link to the CC-BY 4.0 license in your PDF, as it is required by the license terms. This helps inform users that the content you used is free to use. Thanks for helping build the digital commons!

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Martina Pepiciello
Thanks for flagging that! And sorry I missed your comment last year, I just updated all files

Great piece! I noticed that you wrote "Goldstein" a few times.

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Julia_Wise🔸
Thanks, fixed!

I think this is a really thoughtful and constructive critique – thanks for sharing! I think you raise a great point about varying the depth of due diligence needed for donors based on the volume of their donations.

Larks, I’ve noticed that your comments on this post focus on criticizing the specific rules in the CC donor policy document that I shared as an example for other EA organizations to consider. You rightly point out that some of these rules might be impractical for EA orgs to follow. However, I feel frustrated because I think your responses have missed the point of my original post, which was to highlight the value of having a written donor screening policy, and to offer the CC document as a resource that other orgs can legally copy and adapt to their own ne... (read more)

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Larks
Using a very simple cntrl-f methodology, I estimated that over 95% of this post is the CC Guidelines. In contrast you spend less than one sentence arguing for having such a policy, and zero words whatsoever considering tradeoffs. If you want engagement on something you need to provide some material to engage with, and if you thought the CC Guidelines were inappropriate for EA orgs and require significant modification you should say so in the post! I don't think you can share a lengthy post and then declare, post hoc, that almost the entire post is off-limits, running the risk that orgs might copy-paste it without understanding the issues, and that comments should be restricted to a topic which was barely mentioned in the post.  Indeed, as far as I can see even you agree with this, since one paragraph after chastising me for getting "bogged down in the specifics of the document" you ask for advice on how to adapt these policies, which necessarily involves engagement with the specifics.

Also, what makes PopVax "high-risk" according to CC's criteria, in your opinion?

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Larks
PopVax is an Indian biotechnology company. Biotech is a type of pharma company. 
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huw
Legendary! Thank you!

I just posted the CC policy as an example of a donor screening policy, and by posting it I don't necessarily endorse its exact contents. As you helpfully pointed out, the terms of this policy could be overbroad and burdensome, and would have to be adapted to the different context in which EA orgs operate.

"a $10k donation from a Palantir employee would simply be totally prohibited"

First, many EAs donate a lot more money ($1-10k/year) than the average non-EA donor, so $10k would likely be on the high end for a gift to CC but typical for an EA org. So I think... (read more)

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Larks
Well you did suggest people could "emulate" and "copy-paste"   No, any employee who is 'involved' in arms, including totally unobjectionable sales to the US Government, would be involved. The language is quite clear that, while it includes illegal weapons, there is nothing to suggest it is limited to them. As far as I can see even accountants would be 'involved' - you can't make weapons without accounting!

Our impact is not just what we create ourselves, but how we influence others. In part due to our progress⁠, there’s vibrant⁠ competition⁠ in the space, from commercial products similar to ChatGPT to open source LLMs, and vigorous innovation⁠ on⁠ safety⁠.

Color me cynical. OpenAI cites its own, Anthropic's, and DeepMind's approaches to AI safety. However, Meta has also expressed an ambition to build AGI but doesn't seem to prioritize safety in the same way.

Thanks for all your hard work on the audio narrations and making EA Forum content accessible!

Question: Do you intend to license the audio under a Creative Commons license? Since EA Forum text since 2022 is licensed under CC-BY 4.0, all that's legally required is any attribution info provided by the source material and a link to the license; derived works don't have to be also licensed under CC-BY. However, to the extent that AI-generated narrations can be protected by copyright at all (e.g. in the UK and Hong Kong), it seems appropriate to use CC-BY, or maybe CC-BY-SA to enforce modifications being under the same terms.

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Roko
either. 

EA Forum posts since 2022 are licensed under CC-BY, so they are free to use. If you want to translate any portions of the 80k page that aren't part of this forum post, you should ask them.

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As the Flag begins to burn, salute the flag, say the Pledge of Allegiance, and pause for a moment of silence.

I did not know this. That's wild.

OP/GV/Dustin do not like the rationalism brand because it attracts right-coded folks

Open Phil does not want to fund anything that is even slightly right of center in any policy work

I think this is specifically about the rat community attracting people with racist views like "human biodiversity" (which you alluded to re: "our speaker choices at Manifest") and not about being right-wing or right-leaning generally. As a counterexample, OP made three grants to the Niskanen Center to fund their immigration policy work. I would characterize Niskanen as centrist ... (read more)

Epistemic status: preliminary take, likely not considering many factors.

I'm starting to think that economic development and animal welfare go hand in hand. Since the end of the COVID pandemic, the plant-based meat industry has declined in large part because consumers' disposable incomes declined (at least in developed countries). It's good that GFI and others are trying to achieve price parity with conventional meat. However, finding ways to increase disposable incomes (or equivalently, reduce the cost of living) will likely accelerate the adoption of meat substitutes, even if price parity isn't reached.

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trammell
My understanding is that the consumption of essentially all animal products seems to increase in income at the country level across the observed range, whether or not you control for various things. See the regression table on slide 7 and the graph of "implied elasticity on income" on slide 8 here. I'm not seeing the paper itself online anywhere, but maybe reach out to Gustav if you're interested.

the plant-based meat industry has declined in large part because consumers' disposable incomes declined (at least in developed countries)


Do you have a source for this? Median real disposable income is growing in the US, as is meat consumption. https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/386374/grocery-store-meat-purchasing people are buying more and more meat as they get richer, even in developed countries

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Tym 🔸
Status: recollection of past reading on meat consumption elasticity a while ago and some claude fact-checking AFAIK atleast in many developing economies (which collectively hold atleast >70% of the human population),an increase in disposable incomes leads to an increase in meat consumption. I think the net effects in developed countries is the same, plant based meat consumption goes up but simulatounsly the lower income members of society eat more meat. Most of this meat consumption increase relies on the cheapest meat of factory farmed chickens in particular so I'm not sure if I agree on the symbiosis here. However, Sonnet 3.5 says that insect consumption broadly decreases with economic development so a weaker version of your claim could be closer to the truth

Update: The 2024 Donation Election is using straight-up ranked-choice voting; details here.

In addition, I used to lead the EA Public Interest Tech Slack community, which was subsequently merged into the EA Software Engineers community (the Discord for which still exists btw). All of these communities eventually got merged into the #role-software-engineers channel of the EA Anywhere Slack.

I think there was too much fragmentation among slightly different EA affinity groups aimed at tech professionals - there was also EA Tech Network for folks working at tech companies, which I believe was merged into High Impact Professionals.

I'm not sure why the ... (read more)

Lingering thoughts on the talk "How to Handle Worldview Uncertainty" by Hayley Clatterbuck (Rethink Priorities):

The talk proposed several ways that altruists with conflicting values can bargain in mutually beneficial ways, like loans, wagers, and trades, and suggested that the EA community should try to implement these more in practice and design institutions and mechanisms that incentivize them.

I think the EA Donation Election is an example of a community-wide mechanism for brokering trades between multiple anonymous donors. To illustrate this, consider a... (read more)

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Eevee🔹
Update: The 2024 Donation Election is using straight-up ranked-choice voting; details here.

Not sure who to alert to this, but: when filling out the EA Organization Survey, I noticed that one of the fields asks for a date in DD/MM/YYYY format. As an American this tripped me up and I accidentally tried to enter a date in MM/DD/YYYY format because I am more used to seeing it.

I suggest using the ISO 8601 (YYYY-MM-DD) format on forms that are used internationally to prevent confusion, or spelling out the month (e.g. "1 December 2023" or "December 1, 2023").

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Lorenzo Buonanno🔸
I think it's probably best to alert whoever sent you the survey, I wouldn't rely on them noticing quick takes on the EA Forum

I've heard from women I know in this community that they are often shunted into low-level or community-building roles rather than object-level leadership roles. Does anyone else have knowledge about and/or experience with this?

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Chris Leong
Ironically, I think one of the best ways to address this is more movement building. Lots of groups provide professional training to their movement builders and more of this (in terms of AI/AI safety knowledge) would reduce the chance that someone who could and wants to do technical work gets stuck in a community building role.
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harfe
Could you expand a bit on how this would look like? How are they being "shunted", what kind of roles are low-level roles? (E.g. your claim could be that the average male EA CS-student is much less likely to hear "You should change from AI safety to community-building" than female EA CS-students.)

I think it would make sense to exclude emoji from the audio narrations, especially now that a lot of users are adding diamond emoji to their usernames. The audio software currently reads aloud the emoji even if it is in a username, e.g. "Eevee orange diamond emoji".

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peterhartree
Thanks. We're now filtering the diamond emojis out of the narrations. I've left the others in for now.

Asking for a friend - there's no dress code for EAG, right?

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Cillian_
I reached out to the events team and they sent me this link :)
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alex lawsen
I've seen people wear a very wide range of things at the EAGs I've been to.

EAGx conferences are technically not organized by EAG but they are supported by it, so I'm not sure if they count as "competitors"

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Joseph
Yeah, I could see a reasonable argument either way for that.
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Habryka [Deactivated]
CEA seems to maintain control over most high-level aspects of EAGx, so I don't think this counts as competition.
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