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We also deliver cash transfers to Sudanese refugees fleeing to Uganda: https://muslimimpactlab.org/give-zakat-directly-to-sudanese-refugees/ 

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While the broad cash program in this study is certainly more expensive per family than other global health programs, the researchers note that if the cash was targeted to pregnant women in their third trimester, it could be “comparably cost effective to a number of WHO-recommended maternal and child health interventions, even without taking into account other possible benefits of unconditional cash transfers (such as consumption gains).”

We’re launching a pilot this fall in Kenya specifically for pregnant women to learn just how much more cost-effectively c... (read more)

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Jamie E
'even without taking into account other possible benefits of unconditional cash transfers (such as consumption gains)' Presumably we'll know from the study when it comes out, which will be exciting, but if mother's are spending the money on services related to making their pregnancy/delivery safer, will they also receive the same amount of consumption gains? - I'd think these more general gains would be lower unless the pregnancy related costs are a lot less than the value of the transfer. 

Adding this quote for context:

Targeting UCTs to women in the third trimester of pregnancy under these assumptions
would cost about USD PPP 92,000 (or $39,000 in nominal dollars) per child death averted.
We can benchmark these calculations to 37 WHO-recommended maternal and child health
interventions in East Africa as estimated by Stenberg et al. (2021). Across interventions
and scenarios, the cost per death averted ranges from USD PPP 27 to USD PPP 222,952.[1]
Hence, even without taking into account any of the other documented benefits of UCTs (such
as gains in ... (read more)

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NickLaing
Yes thanks for the reply. For sure cash here meets a WHO bar, as do a lot of health interventions. I used to quote the WHO bars a bunch but I'm not sure how useful they are practically as so many interventions meet those bars that we can't realistically fund them all. I was implicitly considering cost effectiveness compared to GiveWell and open Philanthropy bars (as we often do here on the forum) which are a lot higher than the WHO's.  Really looking forward to the pilot in Kenya great job GiveDirectly team!

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If you want to help this match succeed, reshare the campaign page or Darren's X post.

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You can read more about how the project came together on our blog. Adding a specific section below that might be of interest: 

Working with the most watched person on Earth will help us reach more people in need

Beast Philanthropy videos are typically seen by 20-40 million people and dubbed into over a dozen languages to improve accessibility. We expect this will help us reach more families in need. Here’s why:

Partnering with content creators means large, new audiences learn about direct cash

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Fair point re: "nearly twice" vs. "over 50%." Edited original point to reflect this update. 

To the second point, the differences in data sources seem moot to the overall argument. If we stick just to OWID's visual from 1990 to 2019 (pre-COVID), this is is still a 117 million person (43%) increase of the number people living in extreme poverty since 1990, which is certainly an undercount given the well-documented setbacks post 2019. 

Responding below, much of which are direct quotes from the original post. 

Eradicating extreme poverty is not a high bar, it's actually the lowest and one very much worth clearing. 

  • The $2.15/day threshold is not "completely arbitrary." It's set by the World Bank, is an estimate of what a person needs to afford a basic basket of goods including food, clothing, and shelter. It’s a rough measure of how many live in unacceptable deprivation in our wealthy world.
  • While this metric is limited, it’s also quite descriptive. The many symptoms of poverty – d
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Luke Spajic
I'm a bit late, but hopefully you're still monitoring this. I've been donating to GiveDirectly for a number of years now, and support your work and mission.  I'd love to learn more about how Give Directly imagines these public goods will arise, however. To me, this limitation depending on public good provision is the core limitation of cash transfers. Yes, cash transfers can help people access public goods such as education and healthcare in places such as Rwanda where you mentioned (I don't know the detailed context of Rwanda but will suppose that education and healthcare are available and of sufficient quality for the sake of argument), but there are still many countries, particularly in remote settings, where such public goods - particularly of a high quality - are not available.  At Give Directly do you view your work as providing the cash transfers only, and see it as up to others to try to fix the adequate public good provision problem? Does giving cash transfers allow you to access and influence governments in the countries you operate? Do you have any theory of change of how EAs, development agencies etc can best advance adequate public good provision, particularly in areas prone to conflict (e.g. the Sahel), and/ or corruption? Otherwise, it seems that cash transfers could certainty reduce extreme poverty, perhaps very well, but are unlikely to end poverty. This is particularly pertinent if you define poverty also in terms of access to adequate services (as implied by the Global Multidimensional Poverty Index, for instance), or in terms of assets (Reardon and Vosti, 1995) (e.g. due to agricultural land being divided up into smaller and smaller holdings when inherited due to population growth). 
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Hello, thanks for the response. 

  • I don't agree that the threshold is not completely arbitrary. I agree that it is set by the World Bank, but I don't agree that means it is not arbitrary. If everyone in the world lived on $2.16 per day, I don't think we would have reduced what you call "unacceptable deprivation" to zero, I think the world would be in dire straits. 
  • Pretty much all measures of wellbeing, subjective and objective, increase at exactly the same rate throughout the whole of the income distribution. Drawing an extremely low line and defin
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As people escape extreme poverty, that total decreases year-over-year -- explained in detail here

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Jeff Kaufman 🔸
Sorry, I was too terse! I agree that we should expect this amount to decline over time. I was trying to clarify that despite my parent saying "until" the $258B estimate was not a total cost. (I've edited my comment to change "annually" to "for one year".)

Sure. We expanded the excerpt from the blog for clarity: "[GiveWell's moral weight approach] results in a spreadsheet. This framework combines the views of a relatively small number of stakeholders and then applies those outcomes to millions of people. GiveDirectly believes that the weights that should count the most are those of the specific people we’re trying to help. Each individual will have their own specific needs, preferences, and aspirations. We have yet to see a place we worked in (village, county, country) where everyone made the same investment... (read more)

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NickLaing
Thanks that makes sense. This reasoning seems at I risk of being motivated given what givedirectly does, but I get what you mean now.

Research finds people use these funds to improve their health, education, income, and self-reliance, ultimately reducing adult and child mortality. And these results can be sustained years into the future. [Footnote: Source on reducing adult & child mortality.  Two examples of long-term cash impact: Uganda (12 years)Mexico (20 years).]

GiveDirectly's baseline measures don't date back that far, but we do expect research on 5- and 9-year follow-up measures sometime in 2024. 

Cash transfers alone won't eradicate extreme poverty gl... (read more)

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Kirsten
That makes sense to me, and matches with what I see in the post. I find the title a little surprising/misleading compared to what you've said here

It was an active choice to not make this post a structured point-by-point debate with GiveWell's thinking as theirs is not the only guiding philosophy of how EAs think about issues of global health and development. With much of the $200B/year in Official Development Assistance going to interventions of question effectiveness and over a trillion dollars sitting in private foundations, the EA movement can and should open the aperture of how it thinks about what it recommends beyond the marginal donation. 

We're optimistic the movement could influence exi... (read more)

With much of the $200B/year in Official Development Assistance going to interventions of question effectiveness and over a trillion dollars sitting in private foundations, the EA movement can and should open the aperture of how it thinks about what it recommends beyond the marginal donation. 

We're optimistic the movement could influence existing pots of money orders of magnitude larger than what it does today, thus doing even more good in the world. This could perhaps have been more clearly argued in the post, open to your thoughts / feedback!&nb

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Can you explain this, I don't fully understand? Are you saying you prefer a subjective wellbeing approach, or that you don't think that we should be comparing outcomes of different interventions or something different?

"GiveDirectly believes that the weights that should count the most are those of the specific people we’re trying to help."  This is to say, we don't subscribe to GiveWell's moral weights approach."

Thanks, very interesting insights re: healthcare access (you'd enjoy this pod with our research director who is a former medical doctor). The ~$15 is at market value for a phone, so the incentive isn't especially appealing. That said, sometimes other members of a household will have a phone but the assigned recipient does not so elects to buy one.

Here's the link in question: https://www.fsdafrica.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/YEG-Brochure-29.10.21.pdf 

It has not! We just posted the sign up link here: GiveDirect.ly/zakat-webinar (it's this coming Saturday April 1)

Great question. How we approach this: 

  1. Our Yemen program is not the same as our Zakat fundraising. We've been paying Yemeni families since August 2022 using non-zakat funds. Zakat funds are delivered according to the zakat policy. Non-zakat funds are handled the same as any other donations. 
  2. We don't ask families about faith status and do not plan to start doing so. The reason we direct zakat funds to Yemen is that it's a non-issue –  99.99% of the country is Muslim. Our zakat advisors who certified the fund were happy with this arrangement.
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We do have a page in Arabic for non-English readers. However, an important part of building trust with zakat givers is transparency and directness (donor=>GiveDirectly=>Yemeni recipient). Rather than market/collect zakat through another organization as a pass-through, we opted to stick with the simplicity that has appealed to other donors. UNHCR is a secular organization with a successful zakat campaign marketed under their name, albeit a much more famous name than GiveDirectly. 

Another way we plan to bridge the gap: working with Muslim groups and influencers to share the campaign. 

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Shakeelr
It could just be that UNHCR has a unique leverage as a UN organisation - maybe they are seen as impartial or a benevolent international organisation.  As a Muslim, I would suggest partnerships with existing Islamic charities such as Islamic Relief. You can leverage their brand as well as encourage them to explore more effective interventions in the longer term. I acknowledge there might be some pushback due to vested interests; however, I think it's worth a try   FYI - I'm keen for this to work. I'm currently raising awareness to a Muslim audience on effective giving - happy to help however I possibly can.

Two reasons:
- Our biggest program (large transfers) allows families to select a single head of household to receive the funds. Women often handle household spending so are slightly over-represented  as the recipient in this program. 
- We run a few specialty programs that are explicitly targeting women (e.g. this nutrition program or this cancer program)

Great idea! edited to encourage posting down here too, in addition to through the form.