All of HenryStanley's Comments + Replies

In addition, the "not funding a company that will make the world worse" constraint on this program likely makes unicorn status substantially less likely

Citation needed on this - I’m not sure what net-bad unicorns you’re thinking of (and I’d be interested to know), but I think at the outset they probably mostly looked like not-making-the-world-worse ideas and by the time they’re getting to unicorn status the original incubator has very little influence over what they do.

I actually think the overlap between those interested in EA and founding unicorns i

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(I ask because I think burnout is a serious problem and its seriousness is probably generally under-appreciated in this community)

It's bizarre isn't it

Very much hoping the board makes public some of the reasons behind the decision.

This is wonderful.

I'd love to see a writeup of what happened in 2018 if you're willing to share.

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HenryStanley
5mo
(I ask because I think burnout is a serious problem and its seriousness is probably generally under-appreciated in this community)

One thing I hadn't realised is that Ilya Sutskever signed this open letter as well (and he's on the board!).

Oh yes, that is weird. The impression I had was that Ilya might even have been behind Sam's ousting (based on rumours from the internet). I also understood that sacking Sam need 4 out of 6 board members, and since two of the board members were Sam A and Greg B, that meant everyone else had to have voted for him to leave, including Ilya. Most confusing.

An open letter from 500 of ~700 OpenAI employees to the board, calling on them to resign (also on The Verge).

Suggests there's an enormous amount of bad feeling about the decision internally. It also seems like a bad sign that the board was unwilling to provide any 'written evidence' of wrongdoing, though maybe something will appear in the coming days.

But all told it looks pretty bad for EA. Seems like there's an enormous backlash online - initially against OpenAI for firing everyone’s favourite AI CEO, and now against “EA” “woke” “decelerationist” types.[1... (read more)

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Kevin Lacker
5mo
It is a disaster for EA. We need the EAs on the board to explain themselves, and if they made a mistake, just admit that they made a mistake and step down. "Effective altruism" depends on being effective. If EA is just putting people in charge of other peoples' money, they make decisions that seem like bad decisions, they never explain why, refuse to change their mind whatever happens... that's no better than existing charities! This is what EA was supposed to prevent! We are supposed to be effective. Not to fire the best employees and destroy a company that is putting an incredible amount of effort into doing responsible things. I might as well give my money to the San Francisco Symphony. At least they won't spend it ruining things that I care about. Please, anyone who knows Helen or Tasha, ask them to reconsider.

I don't understand the strategy of creating a lower risk business in order to fund a higher risk business though: if you are aligned with your investors (and if your goal is "make money" then you probably are aligned), then it seems strictly better to use their money instead of your own?

Second-time founders (at least in my experience, and in the UK/Europe) have a much easier time getting funding for their businesses. Certainly as a first-time founder our experience of getting funding has been like pulling teeth, despite decent traction and ARR. With gre... (read more)

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Ben_West
5mo
Ah yeah, certainly proving yourself in some way will make it easier for you to get funding. Dumb question: have you considered immigrating to the US? The US has substantially more VC funding available than any other country.

Generally speaking, should tech people start startups and EtG?

For those that have done so: would you advise going for broke and trying to make those startups as big as possible? Or optimise for something more sustainable that can be exited to generate cash, and then start something else higher-risk?

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Ben_West
5mo
The numbers in this article seem higher to me than the value I would place on most tech people doing direct work, so a naïve answer is "yes, if you can get into YCombinator you should probably do that." However, YC is extremely competitive and "being able to make a lot of money" is often correlated with "being valuable in direct work" so it's hard to make a general statement. "Spend six months starting a company and then shut down if you don't get into a top incubator" doesn't seem like crazy advice to me. Regarding risk: returns to entrepreneurship are very fat tailed, and there are theoretical as well as empirical arguments about why we should expect this (e.g. entrepreneurs take on nondiversifiable risk, and you would expect them to need substantial additional compensation to offset this). That being said: I think the data set people use can skew these results, e.g. YCombinator intentionally invests in high risk companies, so it's unsurprising that YC founders have fat tailed results. I don't understand the strategy of creating a lower risk business in order to fund a higher risk business though: if you are aligned with your investors (and if your goal is "make money" then you probably are aligned), then it seems strictly better to use their money instead of your own?

Since you offered: 0.015% tretinoin + niacinamide 4% + urea 5% moisturiser at night, SPF50 in the morning. What else should I be doing?

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Ben_West
5mo
Seems pretty good! My mental model is something like: 80% of the value of skincare comes from sunscreen + moisturizer, 15% from vitamin A, and then everything else is either speculative or has small improvements. Some things you might want to consider to further optimize the remaining 5%, if you want: 1. A relatively gentle exfoliant, 1-2x/week (used instead of the products you would normally apply). Alpha hydroxy acids are pretty popular and usually don't cause a terribly strong reaction (though you probably will be red for a day). 2. Vitamin C (in the morning), particularly if you have hyperpigmentation. 3. Microneedling has results that are roughly comparable to tretinoin, and additionally aids in product delivery (for the obvious reason that the needles poke through your epidermis). So you could consider this, although it's substantially more invasive than the other things on this list (while still being considered "minimally invasive"). 4. The three products you mentioned have slightly different pH's; possibly you are already doing this, but consider spacing out their application (e.g. tretinoin at night, niacinamide in the morning).

“There's no life bad enough for us to try to actively extinguish it when the subject itself can't express a will for that”

Agreed that this seems nonsensical on its face.

Downvoting because you’ve already posted this exact comment several times in this thread. Just post it once and link to it.

Also - the whole point of getting a licence is to test that you can drive to a specific standard. Not just “my friends taught me how to drive so it’s fine”. The fact that the penalties for driving without a licence are small doesn’t make it good behaviour.

David Pearce on the seriousness of suffering, paradise engineering, and negative utilitarianism.

I second David Pearce, and I'd add digital sentience to the topic list. (Pearce appears to have a sophisticated view on consciousness, and his bottom line belief is that digital consciousness—at least, the type that would run on classical computers—is not possible.)

Thanks!

I set up a DAF with Founders Pledge (which is available to all Pledgers subject to a minimum £10,000 initial deposit) - it's a screenshot from their internal granting tool.

What do you think about having more of an EA presence at Vegan Camp Out more generally? I was there and was surprised not to see any of the big names I'm familiar with in the animal welfare movement.

I guess I don't even really understand her relevance. Fully a third of the TIME article is about her mediation in an EA house, and makes her bad behaviour out to be emblematic of problems at the core of EA, but she's... just some random person, right?

From some online digging: she's listed as an attendee at EA Global 2016. She appeared on the Clearer Thinking podcast in 2021. She's never posted on the EA Forum or LessWrong, at least not under her own name that I can find. Her relationship with EA seems at the most to be very, very slight. Am I missing somet... (read more)

This is awesome, thank you so much for writing it. Incidentally I wrote a piece on treating restless legs syndrome (RLS), step 1 of which is “fix iron deficiency”: https://henryaj.substack.com/p/how-to-treat-restless-legs-syndrome

"What about eugenics? Do I support eugenics? No, not as the term is commonly understood." - This is just not a useful thing to mention in an apology about racism, or at least, not in this way

I actually think this was quite reasonable. He's a bioethicist, after all – 'eugenics' has a bunch of different meanings in that field and it's important to distinguish between them

The figure of 85% of Americans having their wisdom teeth removed isn’t very informative as (IIRC) most Americans have them removed by default, even if there’s no impaction.

In the UK, the NHS only removes them if they’re causing problems (although in practice I found they were quite reluctant even in this case). That would provide a more useful base rate.

Good point about stimulants mostly being useful as adjuncts and not as monotherapy.

You generally consider yourself to be happy, highly composed and emotionally stable. You have no history of depression or other mood-related dissorders

Some stimulants seem to work well for depression, however: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6375494/

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ramekin
1y
I think there's conflicting pieces of evidence on this topic, and most recent studies focus on stimulants as add-ons to antidepressants, rather than as the primary treatment for depression. So, if you think you might be some level of depressed (without having ADHD), I think it's sound advice to avoid fixating on stimulants as your most promising option—but know you do have lots of effective options to try that might really improve your wellbeing and productivity, such as those discussed here and described by community members here and here.

I’m not convinced you can really replace sleep with caffeine in any meaningful way; tolerance to caffeine builds so quickly as to make it unuseful after a couple of weeks.

Would be interested in your experience with tranylcypromine; it sounds to me to be way more dangerous than amphetamines.

Came here to post this same article - I think it does a good job outlining all the ways in which this really was a fraud and not some sort of accounting mistake as seems to be presented by some media outlets.

This seems like generally a bad precedent to set - lots of people put a bunch of time into writing thoughtful comments; those comments are now gone. Even leaving the post up with the body blanked out would be preferable. I’m not sure the author of a post should have the power to erase all the discussion of it unless they have a very good reason.

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Jeff Kaufman
1y
The comments are not completely gone: you can still see them on the profile pages of the authors. For example, if you look at https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/users/jeff_kaufman you'll see a comment "Asking and guessing aren't the only options here: double-opt in methods ..." that was originally on the referenced post and is now detached.

I think it's a somewhat hard tradeoff to set in terms of visibility and streisand-effect like things. I am currently happy with the equilibrium where you can still find the comments on the greaterwrong mirror:

https://ea.greaterwrong.com/posts/NacFjEJGoFFWRqsc8/women-and-effective-altruism 

To clarify, authors have always been able to make a post private by clicking "Move to Draft" on their posts.
Moderators can do so as well (like has been done in this case) if, for example, the author does not know about that possibility.

My understanding is that the author ultimately decided to take it down when someone called them a bigot in the comments (for their points related to polyamory). I think both the comment and reaction to it were a bit much personally, but I can understand not wanting the comments visible if that was the key worry for the author.

This all seems very sensible and reasonable. But at the time of writing this comment, your post still makes all of the ‘bailey’ claims I mentioned, which rather proves the point that you’re using a central reasonable claim to justify a bunch of related but unreasonable/poorly-evidenced ones. I suspect this muddled thinking is why you’re getting downvoted.

(I'm sorry your experience has been so bad.)

It feels like there's a motte and bailey here.

Motte: powerful men who wield control over EA money shouldn't use that power for sexual gain. Baileys, as I see them: EAs shouldn't get into relationships with one another, we should implement strict rules to enforce this, women who are "redpilled" have basically been brainwashed by polyamorous EAs, EAs sleeping together somehow contributed to the FTX debacle(?).

Your point about Title IX seems especially strange - as I understand it Title IX has led to universities de... (read more)

Baileys are overstated imo. If I may:

  • conflicts of interest in grant allocation, work place appointments should be avoided
  • men should be made more conscientious about hitting on women at EA events, also vice versa. this means honoring 'no's, avoiding coercion, respecting a person's choice of poly/mono, etc
  • any EA event organizer using that venue to hit on women should be removed from organizing EA events again, without question
  • retaliation for sexual rejection, both social and professional, needs to be addressed.
  • more women should be encouraged to seek the cops
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This seems to be “not even wrong” - FTX’s business model isn’t and never was in question. The issue is Sam committing fraud and misappropriating customer funds, and there being a total lack of internal controls at FTX that made this possible.

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Milan_Griffes
1y
If you say that your business model is to hold depositor funds 1:1 and earn money from fees, but in fact you sometimes earn money via making trades with depositor funds, then you would be misrepresenting your business model. 

Surely it’s at least implied that people shouldn’t earn to give through fraud/criminal behaviour?

It's more than implied, e.g. https://80000hours.org/articles/harmful-career/
Edit: removed a quote to encourage people to skim the full article

(The image at the bottom of the post is broken, btw)

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tyleralterman
2y
Fixed! Thank you.

This is wonderful – thank you so much for writing it.

Mutual dedication to one another’s ends seems like a thing commonly present in religious and ethnic communities. But it seems quite uncommon to the demographic of secular idealists, like me. Such idealists tend to form and join single-focus communities like effective altruism, which serve only a subset of our eudaemonic needs.

Agree about secular, single-purpose communities – but I'm not sure EA is quite the same.

I've found my relationships with other EAs tend to blossom to be about more than just EA; tho... (read more)

(I ask not just for selfish reasons as a fellow depressive, but also because making EAs happier probably has instrumental benefits)

Huge congratulations on the book!

My question isn't really related – it was triggered by the New Yorker/Time pieces and hearing your interview with Rob on the 80,000 Hours podcast (which I thought was really charming; the chemistry between you two comes across clearly). Disregard if it's not relevant or too personal or if you've already answered elsewhere online.

How did you get so dang happy?

Like, in the podcast you mention being one of the happiest people you know. But you also talk about your struggles with depression and mental ill-health, so you've had ... (read more)

I think it’s a combination of multiplicative factors. Very, very roughly:

  • Prescribed medication and supplements: 2x improvement
  • Understanding my own mind and adapting my life around that (including meditation, CBT, etc): 1.5x improvement 
  • Work and personal life improvements (not stressed about getting an academic job, doing rewarding work, having great friends and a great relationship): 2x improvement 

To illustrate quantitatively (with normal weekly wellbeing on a +10 to -10 scale) with pretty made-up numbers, it feels like an average week used to b... (read more)

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HenryStanley
2y
(I ask not just for selfish reasons as a fellow depressive, but also because making EAs happier probably has instrumental benefits)

Relevant excerpt from his prior 80k interview:

Rob Wiblin: ...How have you ended up five or 10 times happier? It sounds like a large multiple.

Will MacAskill: One part of it is being still positive, but somewhat close to zero back then...There’s the classics, like learning to sleep well and meditate and get the right medication and exercise. There’s also been an awful lot of just understanding your own mind and having good responses. For me, the thing that often happens is I start to beat myself up for not being productive enough or not being smart enough or

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We should at least strive to get it above The Very Hungry Caterpillar (#21).

Alright Henry, don't get carried away. The Very Hungry Caterpillar was the best thing to happen to What We Owe The Future.

FGM is distinguished (beyond the forms in which it occurs) in that there are no medical reasons for doing it, nor does it have any health benefits for women

A small aside on this, which I found interesting:

if anti-FGM campaigners and organizations such as the WHO continue to play the “no health benefits” card as a way of deflecting comparisons to male circumcision, it will not be long before medically-trained supporters of the practice in other countries begin to do the necessary research. ...

I suggest, therefore, that by repeating the mantra—in nearly ever

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DukeGartzea
2y
I do not think that the argument of "no health benefits" is used in contrast to male genital mutilation, since it is known that the benefits are small and still today in many countries it is done without the person's permission, breaking their right to bodily autonomy as happens with neonatal circumcision. Also today in many societies and cultures, male genital mutilation is given apart to the medical and health system, which influences an increase in infections and problems related to sexual health.  But I agree that repeating that mantra in a decontextualised way is harmful. The way in which I have tried to use it is to contrast it with the mutilations of intersex people, who are operated on these days in medical centres under the idea and dogma "it is for their health" when really that is a lie, there are not benefits in it.

On a meta level, I'm surprised by how unpopular Sjlver and DukeGartzea's comments are in this discussion relative to others'.

For me it was seeing arguments made from emotion ("It is very clear that violence against men is less of an issue than violence against women", no evidence provided) when responding to comments that contained data on men being the majority of victims of violence. When challenged they performed a bait-and-switch by offering stats for sexual assault (which is indeed more common in women, and a deeply serious issue, but is a subset of a... (read more)

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DukeGartzea
2y
I could completely agree with your argument, but I see a lack of criticism of various comments, where one of the well-known dog whistles used by those who deny the existence of particular violence against women is used.  Likewise, extract the fact that the majority of homicide victims are men, deliberately ignoring the reasons for this violence and their differences, data that I contribute not using Wikipedia pages but global studies on homicide from the United Nations. The comment where I added that data, by the way, got several negative votes originally. I find that worrying enough, and it is worse coming from a community like EA, where these basic things should be already mostly established If we are going to criticise Sjilver answers, as you say "arguments made from emotion", it seems -to me- more serious to criticise responses that originate in a supposed rationalization argumentation and are still biased and, the worst thing of all of this in my humble opinion, the instrumentalization of deaths that are used as a weapon against the fact that there is particular violence against women that does not exist in the other way. 

[am stepping back from this thread now as it's getting a bit distant from the original post and I don't wish to derail it]

Quite horrifying, I agree. But scale is notable here: 6 times as many men are circumcised, so if the quality of life lost was 0.5% then the total lost utility is the same between the two groups.

And given that some number of circumcisions go wrong, leading to loss of sensation, pain during sex, rarely partial or total amputation and other forms of suffering ("the constant discomfort of a genital injury creates a covenant of pain," writes... (read more)

I'm touching the third rail here, but I think there probably is a nuanced comparison to be made that considers the different forms of FGM (including the prevalence of the most minor forms – involving making small nicks or pricks in the skin – which are less invasive than male circumcision) along with its prevalence globally (30% of men are circumcised while 5% of women have been subjected to FGM).

There's also the legal/societal/neglectedness comparison: FGM is widely condemned and illegal in most countries, with prohibitions extending across jurisdictions ... (read more)

These issues are of indeed difficult to talk about. And I admit that I haven't been very friendly in this discussion so far. Apologies for that.

Even with nuance, the difference between FGM and male circumcision seems staggering to me. Here's an example of a study that estimates a 3% life quality loss due to FGM. Over an entire life, that amounts to more than 1 QALY lost due to the mutilation. Granted, there are less severe forms... but I find 1 QALY a horrifying amount.

Male circumcision on the other hand has positive effects as well as negative. I don't w... (read more)

... which arguably gives circumcised males the benefit of longer sex ;-)

I guess if FGM had some possible sexual benefits, that would make it acceptable?

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DukeGartzea
2y
I would like to state some points to clarify: 1. To understand the seriousness of the mutilations, I personally consider that we must focus on the reason that leads to them. Are you religious? Is it cultural? Is it a medical reason? and so on. 2. FGM is distinguished (beyond the forms in which it occurs) in that there are no medical reasons for doing it, nor does it have any health benefits for women. In particular, quite the opposite, since it leads to numerous problems such as infections, complications in childbirth and in sexual relations, and more (1). It is also given for a cultural reason, not only is it "socially accepted" in their society and therefore the norm to follow but also ideas and beliefs of femininity associated with it. For example, it is considered that a genitally mutilated woman has an easier time finding a husband and will remain pure until marriage (2). There is also the fact that in some of these cultures and societies the clitoris is considered a male organ or non-feminine, therefore it is essential for women to have it removed for their own good. The reason for the existence of this mutilation is purely a product of the existence of gender, or what in social sciences is also called the sex-gender system (3) 3. Mutilation is understood as a violent act itself and we tend to talk about female genital mutilation, and in cases like Question Mark bring up male genital mutilation. But we leave aside the mutilations of intersex people, genital mutilations without any consent carried out legally and that do not have any benefit in terms of health for the person to whom it is done (4.1, 4.2). This kind of mutilation is also the result of the previously mentioned sex-gender system. Specifically, it is its application in our society and culture (5). Understanding these three apparently so different forms of mutilation as a product of the same thing is necessary in terms of understanding their motives and giving them an effective solution.

On the topic of starting a publishing house/imprint - I recall seeing a suggestion from Ben Pace that an EA could buy Blackwell's in Oxford and steer it in an EA direction...

My brief review: I've had a handful of sessions with Yonatan and they've been great. He's friendly and kind, and has a great way of getting you to think differently about problems you're facing at work and in your career.

I'm the CTO of an early-stage startup, and have found that (contrary to my expectations) it's the emotional/grit side of things that's the most tricky to navigate, rather than anything technical. So our conversations have focused on co-founder relationships, hiring and onboarding new employees, and general thoughts around startup life.

To what extent does the Animal Welfare Fund take into account ACE's recommendations?

I'm beginning to view ACE's evaluation process as somewhat suspect after they delisted GFI seemingly over minor complaints about management, and would want to be confident that the Animal Welfare Fund is sufficiently independent.

Hi Henry, 

I am one of the other fund managers on the EA AWF. 

>To what extent does the Animal Welfare Fund take into account ACE's recommendations?

One difference between the EA AWF and ACE’s recommendations is that the AWF tends to donate to more numerous, often earlier-stage projects that are higher-risk and, arguably, higher-reward. In contrast, ACE’s recommendations tend to highlight fewer, larger, more established charities with a demonstrated track record of success. 

ACE usually recommends groups that are a) of a greater size, (b) wit... (read more)

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

(I spotted that YouGov graph yesterday; agree that it's pretty compelling evidence for XR increasing concern about the environment.)

Thanks for putting this together. I haven't had a chance to go through your cost-effectiveness estimate in detail, but I do plan to. However:

I would attribute XR 10-50% of the credit for shifting the previously agreed net-zero date from 2050 to 2030, due to their Overton Window-shifting demand of net-zero by 2025 and huge popularity in the UK

YouGov compiles a list of famous UK charities and their popularity; XR is the second-most disliked charity on the list (38% of people surveyed saying they dislike). The only more-disliked charity is the far-right Engli... (read more)

Good catch Henry - I totally agree that XR's tactics and themselves as an organisation are massively unpopular. However, I think that is distinct from a) the amount of support they would have built for action on climate change and b) the amount of activists/people engaging with their work. I also take the point that I should have used the term  "fame" or "salience of XR" rather than popularity because I really meant how well known they are, not how much people like them.

In terms of a), even though XR is unpopular, the goal is always to build support f... (read more)

Of note: "ACE is not able to share any additional information about any of the anonymous allegations", and yet ACE turned down GFI's offer to investigate the complaints further:

GFI would be happy to participate fully in an investigation of the complaints to better understand and address them, and we offered to hire an external investigator. ACE declined

Which makes is sound as though GFI were willing to make efforts to resolve/investigate these anonymous complaints but ACE were not willing to pursue this.

As Pablo noted, concerns over the uncertain impact of... (read more)

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Charles He
2y
For onlookers, articles that are strongly against cultured meat feasibility have appeared in the last 12 months: * The Counter article - "New research suggests the industry may be on a billion-dollar crash course with reality". * Linch Zhang and  Neil Dullaghan analysis - "Linch [turned] from a cultured meat optimist to being broadly pessimistic. Neil wants to be more agnostic until further research from Rethink Priorities and others." * These two analysis draw a lot on the Humbird article, published in December 2020 , [Linch and Neil summarize] "Cheap at scale (<$200/kg) cultured meat with “wild-type” cells is simply not feasible".   Linch and Neil at Rethink Priorities are very respected by EAs. At the same time, the non-EA, liberal Counter article also said the same thing with a distinct analysis, and I think EA opinion is further moved by corroborating "outside" views. The Humbird article is funded by Open Phil. For changing EA opinion, I think the above is a very strong signal and would inform or change many minds. (This could explain changing ACE recommendations.) I am writing this because onlookers may not get this sense of these updates in 2021. My knowledge is not deep—honestly, Linch and Neil's article is basically my education. If people don't agree with the above, please let me know! (Note: I agree with the concerns that currently dominate comments on this post and upvoted each such comment—there's at least 5 different people who share them.  The reason why New Harvest was recommended is not explained.)

I could believe that mHealth/iCBT/online therapy is very cost-effective, but the claims here seem to be about Mind Ease in particular. As such the meat of the report is likely to be found in chapter 4, the actual evaluation of Mind Ease – but this section is inaccessible.

Is there a reason this was omitted from the public report?

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like the wiki isn't labelled as such - as in, there isn't a part of the site called the 'wiki'. There's also the 'tags portal' which refers to the 'EA Forum Wiki', but as I understand it that page essentially is the wiki. The language is confusing.

Should there be a section of the site called the 'wiki' that lists all these pages? Or maybe even consider renaming tags to wiki - where posts on the forum can be 'tagged' with a wiki article.

(The URLs for tags should probably more conventionally be in the format /tags/&l... (read more)

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Aaron Gertler
3y
We've gone with a different naming convention than LessWrong (they say "Concepts" while using the same "tags" URL), but given the amount of code our sites share, it will take some time to disentangle our terminology from theirs.  I'd like our "Tags Portal" page to eventually have the name "Wiki", and people should think of that page as the "homepage" of the Wiki.  The "Tags Portal" contained a section I'd titled "Articles" but have just retitled "Wiki Articles". The first words of that page remain the same: Note also the second sentence of this post: So we have similar intuitions, but I use the word "tag" to represent an article that can be used as a tag, because saying "I tagged this post with article X" also seems confusing. We're still trying to figure out the extent to which having "wiki only" articles make sense (and what fraction of articles don't work as tags). If we end up making all articles usable as tags, the distinction between "article" and "tag" disappears, which will lead to more terminology change.

Seconding the Replacing Guilt series (and podcast); it’s fantastic.

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MichaelA
3y
I haven't listened yet, but have now downloaded it due to its mention in this post, so thanks to Michelle for that! I've also commented to mention that podcast on A list of EA-related podcasts.
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