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I'm a contact person for the effective altruism community: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/hYh6jKBsKXH8mWwtc/a-contact-person-for-the-ea-community

Please feel free to contact me at julia.wise@centreforeffectivealtruism.org.

I work at CEA as a community liaison, trying to make the EA community stronger and more welcoming. I also serve on the board of GiveWell.

Besides effective altruism, I'm interested in folk dance and trying to keep up with my three children.


The compilation of p(doom) estimates is interesting, thanks for putting that together! I initially didn't realize that some of those are on the older side - several being from a couple of years ago, and the Sanders / Bostrom one being from 2008. I think it would be good to flag that these aren't all recent estimates.

Why zebras rather than donkeys, which are native to Africa and whose population is increasing there? https://thehorse.com/features/beasts-of-burden-africas-working-horses-and-donkeys/

Thank you for sharing, Michelle. As more EAs get to the point of trying to have kids, this will affect more people in the community (and their friends and colleagues).

Another broader resource: ideas for organizations on supporting bereaved staff, originally written for CEA.

I have some thoughts that I think are better to share privately - DMing you.

due to CEA's response leaning towards the side of caution, the accuser walks away feeling like their complaint hasn't been taken seriously enough/that CEA should have been quicker to act

I'm sure this has happened, and I'm sad about that.

I also know different people who would say that CEA has been too aggressive in kicking people out, too willing to take action based on limited evidence.

I want to weigh the fact that people will feel alienated by both of these perceptions/experiences. But ultimately we can't make decisions based only on whether someone will feel disillusioned with EA as a result, because it often seems any call we make will result in someone feeling we were too far in some direction.

In general if you think CEA or your local group is worried about you, I think you should feel free to ask.
In this case, the person is well aware of past complaints about them in other settings.

Mostly I suggest that people ask us if a situation comes up where you think we might be able to help, and we'll let you know!

To some extent it depends on capacity at the time. Sometimes we've had capacity to help with situations that were EA-adjacent but not obviously within the EA space. Other times a situation is clearly within EA but we think the services needed are better served by a professional mediator, lawyer, etc and we'd refer to someone with those skills. CEA can sometimes help EA groups or organizations pay for those services if it would help resolve a problem - that's also something you should feel free to ask about. This is a good question - I've added a bit about this to the post.

Sure, I'm happy for you to link people to this if you think it would be helpful. This is part of our work and we'll be writing more over time about the rest of it.

Hey, glad to hear about what's on your mind!
1. My main thought is that the most important thing given your situation is to focus on your own wellbeing and independence. The advice for students to donate is meant for people who have more freedom and would otherwise spend their money on unimportant things. Your situation sounds very different from that. Like Imma, I suggest using the money to invest in yourself - whether that's food or other basics, saving for emergencies, or whatever will best support your needs. Getting to a better place in the next few years will enable you to do more to help others later if that's what you choose.
5. At your age I also worried a lot about how to responsibly spend the rest of my life, but I suggest holding such plans very lightly. There's a lot of time for all kinds of things to change. But if there's comfort in imagining a retirement where you get to enjoy some tranquility, fine to keep it in mind as a "someday / maybe" possibility.

When I was more active in Quaker circles, I'd hear versions of a quote attributed to Mother Teresa: "we are not called to be successful, but to be faithful." There was a lot of attention to trying to do good, but the focus was on following where you were being spiritually led, and being in relationship with those you were helping, not effectiveness. Like if you felt a spiritual leading to help people in some ineffective way, people would have thought that was fine.

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