All of Nikola's Comments + Replies

I think grant evaluators should take into account their intuitions on what kinds of research are most valuable rather than relying on expected value calculations.

 

In case of EV calculations where the future is part of the equation, I think using microdooms as a measure of impact is pretty practical and can resolve some of the problems inherent with dealing with enormous numbers, because many people have cruxes which are downstream of microdooms. Some think there'll be 10^40 people, some think there'll be 10^20. Usually, if two people disagree on how v... (read more)

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Pablo
7mo
I don't think this is the case for all key disagreements, because people can disagree a lot about the duration of the period of heightened existential risk, whereas microdooms are defined as a reduction in total existential risk rather than in terms of per-period risk reduction. So two people can agree that AI safety work aimed at reducing existential risk will decrease risk by a certain amount over a given period, but one may believe such work averts 100x as many microdooms as the other because they believe the period of heightened risk is 100x shorter.

Yup, I'd say that from the perspective of someone who wants a good AI safety (/EA/X-risk) student community, Harvard is the best place to be right now (I say this as an organizer, so grain of salt). Not many professional researchers in the area though which is sad :(

As for the actual college side of Harvard, here's my experience (as a sophomore planning to do alignment):

  • Harvard doesn't seem to have up-to-date CS classes for ML. If you want to learn modern ML, you're on your own
    • (or with your friends! many HAIST people have self-studied ML together or taken
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Check out this post. My views from then have slightly shifted (the numbers stay roughly the same), towards:
 

  • If Earth-based life is the only intelligent life that will ever emerge, then humans + other earth life going extinct makes the EV of the future basically 0, aside from non-human Earth-based life optimizing the universe, which would probably be less than 10% of non-extinct-human EV, due to the fact that
    1. Humans being dead updates us towards other stuff eventually going extincts
    2. Many things have to go right for a species to evolve pro-social tendenci
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Nice to see new people in the Balkans! I'd be down to chat sometime about how EA Croatia started off :)

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Dušan D. Nešić (Dushan)
2y
Absolutely! Booked a meeting with you! :)

Building on the space theme, I like Earthrise, as it has very hopeful vibes, but also points to the famous picture that highlights the fragility and preciousness of earth-based life.

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Linch
2y
Oh yeah that's great.

Thank you for writing this. I've been repeating this point to many people and now I can point them to this post.

For context, for college-aged people in the US, the two most likely causes of death in a given year are suicide and vehicle accidents, both at around 1 in 6000. Estimates of global nuclear war in a given year are comparable to both of these. Given a AGI timeline of 50% by 2045, it's quite hard to distribute that 50% over ~20 years and assign much less than 1 in 6000 to the next 365 days. Meaning that even right now, in 2022, existential risks are... (read more)

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AISafetyIsNotLongtermist
2y
I'd be excited to see this, though agree that it could come across as too weird, and wouldn't want to widely and publicly promote it. If you do this, I recommend trying to use as reputable and objective a source as you can for the estimates.
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Matt Boyd
2y
The infographic could perhaps have a 'today' and a 'in 2050' version, with the bubbles representing the risks being very small for AI 'today' compared to eg suicide, or cancer or heart disease, but then becoming much bigger in the 2050 version, illustrating the trajectory. Perhaps the standard medical cause of death bubbles shrink by 2050 illustrating medical progress. 

Strongly agree, fostering a culture of openmindedness (love the example from Robi) and the expectation of updating from more experienced EAs seems good. In the updating case, I think making sure that everyone knows what "updating" means is a priority (sounds pretty weird otherwise). Maybe we should talk about introductory Bayesian probability in fellowships and retreats.

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tlevin
2y
Yes, true, avoiding jargon is important!

Great post, Joshua! I mostly second all of these points.

I'd add another hot take:

Both the return of fellowships and retreats mostly tracks one variable, and that is time participants spend in small (eg. one-on-one) interactions with highly engaged EAs. Retreats are good mostly because they're a very efficient way to have a lot of this interaction in a small period of time.  More in this here.

I agree, to clarify, my claim assumes infinite patience.

Skipping time to determine net positivity of experience

[inspired by a conversation with Robi Rahman]

Imagine that it’s possible to skip certain periods of time in your life. All this means is you don’t experience them, but you come out of them having the same memories as if you did experience them.

Now imagine that, after you live whatever life you would have lived, there’s another certain 5000 years of very good life that you’ll live that’s undoubtedly net positive. My claim is that, any moments in your life you’d prefer to “skip” are moments in which your life is net negative.

I wonder how many moments you'd skip?

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mic
2y
I've considered this before and I'm not sure I agree. If I'm at a +10 utility for the next 10 years and afterwards will be at +1,000,000 utility for the following 5,000 years, I might just feel like skipping ahead to be feeling +1,000,000 utility, simply from being impatient about getting to feel even better.

I think that it's relevant that, for some veg*ns, it would take more energy (emotional energy/willpower) not to be veg*n. For instance, having seen some documentaries, I am repulsed by the idea of eating meat due to the sheer emotional force of participating in the atrocities I saw. Maybe this is an indicator that I should spend more time trying to align my emotions to my ethical beliefs (which would, without the strong emotional force, point towards me eating animal products to save energy), but I'm not sure if that's worth the effort.

Maybe this implies t... (read more)

Thanks, you're completely right, that sounds negative. Changed the title to "Helping newcomers be more objective with career choice", which probably gets across what we're trying to get across better.

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Akash
2y
I think the new title is better. To nit-pick, "more objective" might imply a sense of "we're right and they're wrong".  Maybe an alternative could be something like "Helping newcomers feel more comfortable considering new career paths."  (I don't think you actually need to change the title again-- just throwing this out there because I see how discussions around these kinds of strategies can be perceived as manipulative, and I think the wording/framing we use in group discussions can matter).

Strong agree with the idea that we should emphasize actions people are taking and avoid hero-worship-like phrases. I was mostly using my own mental shorthand when I said "superhuman" and forgot to translate to other-people-speak.

Regarding the makeup of fellowship groups, I think probably giving people an option to attend some socials which are generally attended by highly engaged people could be good? So that, if there's a lack of engagement in their cohorts, they can make up for it by finding a way to interact with engaged people somewhere else.

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They're standard deviations, updated the figures, thanks! I agree strongly, this is weak evidence at best.