This makes me wonder if there could be good setups for evaluating AI systems as groups. You could have separate agent swarms in different sandboxes competing on metrics of safety and performance. The one that does better gets amplified. The agents may then have some incentive to enforce positive social norms for their group against things like sandbagging or deception. When deployed they might have not only individual IDs but group or clan IDs that tie them to each other and continue this dynamic. 

Maybe there is some mechanism where membership gets shuffled around sometimes the way alleles do between genes. Or traits of the systems, though that seems less clearly desirable. There are already algorithms to imitate genetic recombination but that would be somewhat different. You could also combine social group membership systems and trait recombination systems potentially. Given the level of influence over AIs, it might be somewhat closer to selective breeding in certain respects but not entirely. 

I'm not sure the policies have been mostly worked out but not implemented. Figuring out technical AI governance solutions seems like a big part of what is needed. 

That's a really broad question though. If you asked something like, which system unlocked the most real-world value in coding, people would probably say the jump to a more recent model like o3-mini or Gemini 2.5

You could similarly argue the jump from infant to toddler is much more profound in terms of general capabilities than college student to phd but the latter is more relevant in terms of unlocking new research tasks that can be done. 

1. States and corporations rely on humans. They have no incentive to get rid of them. AGI would mean you don't have to rely on humans. So AGIs or people using AGIs might not care about humans anymore or even see them as an obstacle.
2. States and corporations aren't that monolithic; they are full of competing factions and people who often fail to coordinate or behave rationally. AGI will probably be much better at strategizing and coordinating.
3. States and corporation are constrained by balance of power with other states/corporations/actors. Superhuman AIs might not have this problem if they exceed all of humanity combined or might think they have more in common with each other than with humans.

Hmm maybe it could still be good to try things in case timelines are a bit longer or an unexpected opportunity arises? For example, what if you thought it was 2 years but actually 3-5?

So it seems like you're saying there are at least two conditions: 1) someone with enough resources would have to want to release a frontier model with open weights, maybe Meta or a very large coalition of the opensource community if distributed training continues to scale, 2) it would need at least enough dangerous capability mitigations like unlearning and tamper resistant weights or cloud inference monitoring, or be behind the frontier enough so governments don't try to stop it. Does that seem right? What do you think is the likely price range for AGI? 

I'm not sure the government is moving fast enough or interested in trying to lock down the labs too much given it might slow them down more than it increases their lead or they don't fully buy into risk arguments for now. I'm not sure what the key factors to watch here are. I expected reasoning systems next year, but it seems like even open weight ones were released this year that seem around o1 preview level just a few weeks after, indicating that multiple parties are pursuing similar lines of AI research somewhat independently. 

This is a thoughtful post so it's unfortunate it hasn't gotten much engagement here. Do you have cruxes around the extent to which centralization is favorable or feasible? It seems like small models that could be run on a phone or laptop (~50GB) are becoming quite capable and decentralized training runs work for 10 billion parameter models which are close to that size range.  I don't know its exact size, but Gemini Flash 2.0 seems much better than I would have expected a model of that size to be in 2024. 

Do you think there's a way to tell the former group apart from people who are closer to your experience (hearing earlier would be beneficial)?

Interesting. People probably aren't at peak productivity or even working at all for some part of those hours, so you could probably cut the hours by 1/4. This narrows the gap between what GPT2030 can achieve in a day and what all humans can together. 

Assuming 9 billion people work 8 hours that's ~8.22 million years of work in a day. But given slowdowns in productivity throughout the day we might want to round that down to ~6 million years. 

Additionally, GPT2030 might be more effective than even the best human workers at their peak hours. If it's 3x as good as a PhD student at learning, which it might be because of better retention and connections, it would be learning more than all PhD students in the world every day. The quality of its work might be 100x or 1000x better, which is difficult to compare abstractly. In some tasks like clearing rubble, more work time might easily translate into catching up on outcomes. 

With things like scientific breakthroughs, more time might not result in equivalent breakthroughs. From that perspective, GPT2030 might end up doing more work than all of humanity since huge breakthroughs are uncommon. 

 

This is a pretty interesting idea. I wonder if what we perceive as clumps of 'dark matter' might be or contain silent civilizations shrouded from interference. 

Maybe there is some kind of defense dominant technology or strategy that we don't yet comprehend.