Oh no! I just named my project "Effective Developers"
Just saying, from my point of view, that it's useful to also hear specific ways in which people misunderstand EA. Every time you give an example of that kind, like "what do people in the movement do?", I feel like my brain is updating and will pay attention to this failure mode next time I have such a conversation.
I'm differentiating (1) "concrete examples of misunderstandings" from (2) sentences like "20% of understanding" or "explaining critical nuances of EA": The latter isn't actionable for me personally. (Though I understand why you said it and I'm excited for this improvement that you're able to get, and I'm happy that someone like you is focusing on this project).
Hey, would you share more raw information from the user interviews, if you have it? Even from memory?
I asked a few friends about this and one of them decided to apply himself, so anyway I think this is turning out well. :)
how little people use (or are comfortable using) slack/discord
Even if they use slack/discord very little: They use a new [a new platform that doesn't exist yet and nobody ever used and everyone knows that nobody used] even less. No?
Facebook is the best alternative to make it easier for the people to find and start gaining members
I agree, and again, this is an advantage that a new platform will never have. (right?)
corresponding pages [...] pages idea
Do you mean "Facebook Group" (where you wrote "page")? If not - then I didn't understand, could you explain in other words?
Another opinion: I think direct AI research kind of <exaggeration> can't be measured in money </exaggeration>.
Those people are missing, and AFAIK the AI safety orgs really want to hire people that are also aligned in their values, which is hard to find, and offering a high salary isn't enough to find more of those people.
Please note that even if you 100% agree with me, I do not (!) think this a good enough reason on its own to make a decision. Questions like personal fit which I asked above are also really important, and I don't think I know enough about you to actually recommend something specific yet
FYI, it's not impossible to take naps at some tech companies. This is me around 2014 working in an American corporation, I'd take a nap every second day more or less. I think the situation since then has become even more relaxed (no pun intended) : In my last job, I also took naps, and the bean bag was supplied directly by the Operations department.
Thank you very much, this is very useful for me, specifically that you also added the culture/social norms which there's no way I'd guess myself
If you're hiring software developers, then this
Maybe we should collect the angel donation ideas somewhere?
Maybe we should collect the high-variance angel philanthropy ideas somewhere?
[This opinion is mine and doesn't represent EA]
I fund an Israeli Facebook Blogger who improves the level of conversation about economics and politics. [Hebrew link]
What problem does this address?
Things that can't be done well by The Nonlinear Library but interest me a lot:https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7im8at9PmhbT4JHsW/ngo-and-yudkowsky-on-alignment-difficulty
(Strong upvote!) (Feel free to split up your reply into separate comments if you want)
I'm part of the team there and I have a lot of thoughts around it, perhaps commenting here wouldn't be the best place
How is this different from earning to give? (Or founders' pledge)
Hearing things like this is why I posted this in the first place!! :D :D
Could you tell me much more?... (read more)
Hey, I think I'm a good software developer, but I have roundable-to-zero knowledge in ML.
Can you help me estimate how far I am from the bar of being useful to such a project? [Update: I'm consulting with friends about this]
It would also be useful for me to understand the requirements well since lately I talk to other engineers who are sometimes interested in working on AI Safety if they can
The cost-effectiveness of this [small $100] grant should be basically the same as the final $1,000 that Open Philanthropy donated.
The counter argument that comes to mind (I have no idea if it's true) :
If Open Philanthropy donate to a longtermist cause, won't Open Phil donate all the money that this org needs (before it hits significant diminishing returns)? Is there still room for more funding?
I don't know
I think that as a software developer I can't really help with this problem, but I'm not sure and would I'd like input from people in the field
I'd like help vetting this role.
Here's my attempt
(Is this on-topic enough?)
But also, I tried, and I think 0 such needs surfaced
That's what the experimental method is for, so that we don't have to resolve things just by arguing
I agree I won't get everything
Still, I don't think Google is a good example. It is full of developers who have a culture of automating things and even free time every week to do side projects. This is really extreme.
A better example would be some organization that has 0 developers. If you ask someone in such an organization if there's anything they want to automate, or some repetitive task they're doing a lot, or an idea for an app (which is probably terrible but will indicate an underlying need) - things come up
Hey, this sounds like something that I (or someone I might know) could do.
But I'm unable to evaluate how useful this would be for AI Safety. I can make an uninformed guess at best.
Is there some open conversation about this somewhere, with other AI safety people, that I could look at and maybe even ask questions?
EA Software Consultancy: In case you don't know these posts:
In part 1, I argue that tech work at EA orgs has three predictable problems:It’s bad for developing technical skillsIt's inefficiently allocatedIt’s difficult to assess hires
In part 1, I argue that tech work at EA orgs has three predictable problems:
In this part I argue that each problem could be mitigated or even fixed by consolidating the workers into a single agency. I focus here on the benefits common to any form of agency
This post explicitly compares the low-bono option with various others on two axes: on entity type (ie individual or agenc
Working at an EA org to discover needs: This seems much slower than asking people who work there, no? (I am not trying to guess the needs myself)
EA Tech Initiatives
H/t Jaime Raldua Veuthey
I'd add MindEase to your list
Answering for myself: This post is supposed to optimize for collecting new information, not for filtering/sorting/handling the information. At least that was my intent
I agree, this is only an attempt to surface a subset of needs that (I'm guessing) don't currently have a good way to surface.
This sounds very interesting. I'm moving in that direction slowly
Software Development / Technology:
This is somewhat starting here.
(Nothing official, feel free to do something else instead. I'm only writing this in case someone else, like me, searches for "software" here)
I don't think I understood:
Sounds like Lunchclub, do you know it?
If this is intended to make it more easy or inviting to post jobs (?) then I don't know if this is actually a problem, but I also suspect something like this enough for me to try something [as you've undoubtably seen :) ].
If it is indeed a problem, I think giving people karma to encourage them to post more jobs/pain-points/whatever is an easy call
Hey, as someone who's considering where to work, I'd be happy if:
I'll comment [very much for the sake of making conversation] that I agree they should know about each other if somehow they don't, but also that there are advantages in keeping them as competitors
I linked to his post Ambitious Altruistic Software Engineering Efforts: Opportunities and Benefits as inspiration :)
I edited my post to make that more clear
Turned into a question:
I moved the post to be a draft
Ah, my bad, didn't notice that option. Quick help: Should I delete this post and open a question? Something else?
Ah! Sounds like I just didn't understand it well. +1!
Facebook: as far as I know you cannot have in a group different pages for different topics.
Perhaps have one group for one topic as an MVP?
Slack [and discord]: in the 10+ EA slack groups I am in, most of them people go to introduce themselves and never come back
Do you think this is a problem with the features in Slack/Discord?
a small MVP would be I think fairly easy to implement.
This is not my intuition, especially since the features of Facebook/Slack/Discord don't seem to be enough. Maybe I'm not in sync with what you imagine as an MVP?
But if the platform
I'd probably watch/listen to recordings if they'd exist, and I'd ask questions (mainly making sure I understood), if I could.
If you'd consider doing this, the main thing that would help me is paying attention to the audio quality (probably having a microphone connected to you. I'd be happy to order you one, if that would help).
My ECON background is pop "econ 101" / efficient-market stuff, and my understanding of macro is really really limited
Good to know, thanks!
Video recordings are among the "more polished and scalable educational materials" I was thinking might come out of this; i.e. to some extent the course lectures would serve as a trial run for any such videos. That wouldn't be for a year or so, I'm afraid. But if it happens, I'll make sure to get a good attached mike, and if I can't get my hands on one elsewhere I'll keep you in mind. : )
Two lists I'm considering making:
5. "Organized datasets": High five to MichaelA for making lots of these
My personal feedback from the post: I think "learning" is more generic than what you're doing. If I remember correctly, you're specifically going for "learning how to memorize facts [using Anki]". I'd intuitively write the more specific version
Hey, first of all +1 for offering coaching, I think this is healthy for early stage projects like this (which might still need product market fit) because 1-on-1 meetings give a lot more important feedback than visitors in a website.
Regarding "Twitter that promotes good discussions", check out what the LessWrong team is considering [link to comment on lesswrong.com], looks really exciting!
Plus the amazing process that seems to be going on around it [from the same linked comment]:
Probably what's going to happen next is that we're going to implement more than one variation on voting, and pick a few posts where comments will use alternate voting systems.
This post by a rationalist/EA therapist helped me put some thoughts into words: