Jan-WillemvanPutten

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European Union AI Development and Governance Partnerships

Thanks, great overview! How can early stage career European EAs contribute to this? Do you know which organisations you mentioned have the capacity to absorb interns / starters from the EA community? 

EA megaprojects continued

Also sent you an email for possible involvement from Training For Good

Database of orgs relevant to longtermist/x-risk work

Great work Michael, I've already included this Airtable in the curriculum  of Training For Good's upcoming impactful policy careers workshop. Well done, this work is of high value!

FTX EA Fellowships

Hi, you say you will provide "housing in the Bahamas for up to 6 months".

Is there a certain minimum length of stay required (in terms of months)? 

Notes on "Managing to Change the World"

Thanks Jared for thinking about TFG! We will make use of existing resources as much as possible. Never heard of this but just got the book .

Our focus on EMEA is temporary and dependent on the kind of programs. E.g. our program for policy makers is aimed at EMEA because of substantial differences with the US market

Introducing Training for Good (TFG)

"People who expressed interest in a program about doing good" seems to be the best description. Marketing was focused on Dutch speaking people that wanted to do more good. 

No prior EA knowledge was needed and most people heard about EA but had no real prior knowledge.

Introducing Training for Good (TFG)

Hi Jack,

Jan-Willem here, one of the other co-founders of Training for Good. I actually have some data on tractability of outreach to an older generation. As chapter director at EA Netherlands we organised a serie of workshops targeted at a slightly older audience (average age ~35).

Three out of 25 people in this program comitted to considerable changes in their life (pledging large amounts of money and switching into high impact roles). We didn't use a control group, but it is a good sign of tractability.   

Presenting: 2021 Incubated Charities (Charity Entrepreneurship)

Hi Michael! Thanks for your response and your question. About TFG: We are considering a management for EA orgs program for our second year of existence.  As mentioned in our longer introduction post we are even open to changes in the second half of this year's training schedule, if new information shifts our beliefs about the added value of certain programs.

More EAs should consider “non-EA” jobs

Hi Sarah, thanks for writing this great article.

As someone else mentioned in the comments most EAs work in non-EA orgs looking at the EA surveys. According to the last EA Survey I checked only ~10% of respondents worked in EA orgs and this is probably an overestimation (people in EA orgs are more likely to complete the survey I assume)

So I think the problem is not that EAs are not considering these jobs, I would say the bottleneck for impact is something else:

 1) Picking the right non-EA orgs, as mentioned in the comments the differences are massive here

2) Noticing and creating impact opportunities in those jobs

80k is able to give generic career advice, e.g. on joining the civil service but they often lack the capacity to give very specific advice to individuals on where to start, let alone on how to have impact in that job once you landed it. 

One solution could be to start a new career org for this, but I think it is very hard to be an expert in everything and I often think that specific personal fit considerations are important. Therefore I think we are better off through training people in picking the right orgs, through teaching them impact-driven career decision models and training and sharing impact opportunities in certain non-EA org career paths.

Summarized: I don't think people lack the willingness to join non EA-orgs but they lack the tools and skills for maximising their impact in those careers

Most research/advocacy charities are not scalable

Interesting thougts Sanjay and I agree that we neglect the 60% for profit sector

My biggest concern with your solution in one sentence: as long as people mostly care about money they want to act  on advice that maximises their financial return. Of course we could " subsidise"  a service like that for social profit, but as long as it is not in the systems interest to act on our advice it's useless.

So changing the incentives of the system (through policy advocacy) or movement building (expanding the moral circle) seem more promosing from this viewpoint. On the other hand: once enough people are really interested in social profits we need to have the insights which companies do good and which do not.  Maybe it's more a question of the right timing...

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