All of Joseph's Comments + Replies

MATS is hiring for two roles on the program team. MATS will have more than a dozen employees at EAG San Francisco 2026, so feel free to come talk to use if you are interested in joining the team.

  • Program Systems Associate: Build and maintain MATS' internal infrastructure, including databases, data collection forms, and integrations. Refactor legacy systems and collaborate across teams to improve infrastructure and establish best practices. Create ambitious, shared infrastructure for the AI safety talent ecosystem. Requires strong database design skills and
... (read more)

I've seen so many scenarios in which EA folks reinvent wheels that are already very well-established in the broader professional world, or in which people rely on networks of EAs for advice rather than asking a subject matter expert. I've mostly seen this in relation to hiring because that is an area that I've seen internal processes for a few different EA organizations.

More broadly and more informally I've seen people failed to train new managers and fail to adopt project management practices (or to even be aware that they exist). One person mentioned to ... (read more)

2
Tom Billington
Strong agree.  And I understand why this is a problem. It can be hard to independently create contacts in these spaces from scratch, and there is an aspect of not knowing what you don't know at play. I'm almost certain I am committing the same mistake in multiple places in my work. Would be interested to think about solutions here. Like perhaps a group such as Consultants For Impact could take on a role of knowledge dispersal, doing things like getting project management experts to give a talks at EAGs?

I'm curious how easy or hard it is to set up some drop shipping. A few items (t-shirts, hoodies, mugs, caps) with a few choices of designs might be feasible, much like the Shrimp Welfare Project Shop, or the DFTBA shop.

3
Charlie_Guthmann
it's quite easy, I actually already did it with printful + shopify. I stalled out because (1) I realized it's much more confusing to deal with all the copyright stuff and stepping on toes (I don't want to be competing with ea itself or ea orgs and didn't feel like coordinating with a bunch of people. (2) you kind of get raked using a easy fully automated stack. Not a big deal but with shipping hoodies end up being like 35-40 and t shirts almost 20.  I felt like given the size of EA we should probably just buy a heat press or embroidery machine since we probably want to produce 100s+.  Anyway feel free to reach out and we can chat!    here is the example site I spun up, again not actually trying to sell those products was just testing if I could do it https://tp403r-fy.myshopify.com/ 

A semi-regular reminder that anybody who wants to join EA (or EA adjacent) online book clubs, I'm your guy.

Copying from a previous post:

I run some online book clubs, some of which are explicitly EA and some of which are EA-adjacent: one on China as it relates to EA, one on professional development for EAs, and one on animal rights/welfare/advocacy. I don't like self-promoting, but I figure I should post this at least once on the EA Forum so that people can find it if they search for "book club" or "reading group." Details, including links for joining each

... (read more)
3
Elliot Billingsley 🔸
I came to one, it was great! Thanks Joseph for your tireless organizing. 
1
James Brobin
Ah, thanks for the recommendations. I always perpetually feel I need to learn more about economics, but I never get around to reading about it. I would probably add Thinking In Systems by Donella H. Meadows as another peripheral book since it tackles systems thinking, which can be applied to virtually any EA-related subject.

Glad to see another reader here! You've got the core books. Previous posts on the EA Forum have explored similar things, specifically this infographic/poster, and this scraping of Goodreads. I'd broadly recommend skimming through the 'books' tag to see what else you turn up.

1
James Brobin
Ah, thanks! That first link is perfect! I probably should have searched through the forum a bit more before making this post.

Would you be willing/able to share a bit more detail or context about this? I'm somewhat interested, but there isn't enough information here for me to feel comfortable to step forward and raise my hand.

If you want, I'd be happy to have a conversation, give you feedback, review your resume, etc. I've been involved in hiring for quite a few years, including at multiple EA organizations. I also know from personal experience how rough it is to send out many, many applications without success.

Answer by Joseph2
0
0

I got two out of three, if that is enough. I worked in for-profit organizations for several years, developing various professionally-relevant skills and interests. Then I later learned about EA and was able to use my non-EA background to get employment at what I view as fairly high impact organizations. I've also applied to many roles and been rejected (both within EA and outside of EA).

I read the book a while back and I enjoyed it. It was kind of fun to get some juicy details about bad things inside Facebook. My main takeaway was something along the lines of "a fish rots from the head." Leaders of an organization set priorities, direction, culture (to a great extent), and this books served as sort of a case study of leadership that has a fairly narrow focus. Poor social skills and poor common sense, entitlement, and the general idea that you get everything you want all stood out to me. The levels of sycophancy and self-interest were a bi... (read more)

show me your role models who have directly improved the world

This somewhat related to mainanence and operations and how credit/respect is apportioned, but often the people doing the work are lower level employees who aren't famous or well-known. They aren't necessarily acknowledged at an annual organizational celebration, or in the local media. As an example, we might think that Rob Mather is great for founding/running the Against Malaria Foundation, but we don't know the names of the people who manufactured or delivered those anti-malaria bednets.

But here... (read more)

the suggested role models are all thinkers rather than doers

At least some of the people listed are either doers, or are a sort of combination of thinkers and doers. I'm do view these people mostly as thinkers, but I also have a sort of bias in that I didn't know about Hans Rosling in the 80s or about Paul Farmers work in the 90s. These people have done much more than simply give talks and write blog posts; they have also done things to directly improve the world.

Some of the people on the list

  • Changed their careers in order to generate more donations for the
... (read more)

I've enjoyed reading your writing over the past few years, and I'll miss you. Good luck with whatever you will be focusing on!

What do you have in mind when you're thinking of those who are not "able to donate"?

I was thinking about people who don't have any income, or who have significant uncertainty/stability in their futures, or who have large financial burdens/commitments.

More broadly, if you want to read more of my thoughts on this topic, I've made a few comments over the years about living in high cost of living areas, about general feelings of financial insecurity/instability, and about not pledging to donate. Those might provide a bit more insight into my throught and persp... (read more)

7
Ian Turner
If we're talking about people who literally have no income... then it does seem odd to ask how much they are donating. Though I also think that if the question were asked, it would be an okay answer to say, "I'm not donating right now because I don't have any income." Do you disagree? I would also ask, are there very many such people applying to EA jobs? How do they feed, clothe, and shelter themselves? As for HCOL... As I wrote in a cousin comment to this one, I was able to donate 10% after tax while working minimum wage in a an HCOL area and TBH I don't have a ton of sympathy for those who say that they can't afford to do so today. For example, if we look at the SF Bay Area (the most expensive metro area in the country), the total cost of living is only about 15% less than the US average. The California minimum wage is $16.50/hour, which is about $28,000 after tax, or about $24,000 adjusted for cost of living. That is still richer than 92% of the people in the world! As for feelings of financial insecurity/instability... I think someone in the above situation is rich enough to be able to both save for the future and give to charity. Do you disagree? Just to be clear, I am certainly not arguing that there are no people in the United States that aren't rich enough to donate to charity. Those with expensive or debilitating medical issues, for example, might not be able to make enough money to donate. And those with recent criminal records, or crushing debt relative to income, also might not be able to — though this category seems  like mostly a consequence of past decisions? And anyway, I would ask again, are there so many people like this applying to EA jobs?

this allows them to accumulate moral status and recognition more easily than those of us without such advantages.

This feels very salient to me. I've seen EA job applications ask about how much money I donate, and that feels like evaluating people on outcomes rather than on inputs. I've definitly noticed the status/recognition given to people that are able to donate.

Conversely, I've definitly chosen to not pursue opportunities that advertise low payment; those have felt vaguely similar to the culture of unpaid (or poorly paid) internships in publishing: often only people who have other sources of money or similar safety nets are able to pursue them.

2
Ian Turner
I mean, I don't think there is anyone (or hardly anyone) who is applying to EA jobs and who is not rich by global standards. What do you have in mind when you're thinking of those who are not "able to donate"? Unless by "EA job applications" you're referring to like "GiveDirectly Field Officer" or something, in which case I agree, that would be a weird question to ask (but, I feel, still not completely unreasonable?).

I may benefit from taking an online training bootcamp, is there something specific I should look out for, something in the project bit?

The appropriate advice would depend on what your career goals are.

  • If you don't have any technical or computer programming skills and you want to start learning, I would find some intro-level courses on HTML, CSS, SQL, and Python. There are also good playlists on YouTube that are suitable for beginners, such as Sentdex or thenewboston. Automate the Boring Stuff with Python is also very popular.
  • If you want to learn more about
... (read more)
1
bhart
Thank you Joseph! I just messaged you a doubt :)

I'm having trouble joining the book club that you host; could you please help me?

I don't think I can help you, because I don't know what sort of a problem or difficulty you are encountering. 😂 This is the link to the Google Doc, which has all of the information: descriptions, links and instructions on how to join, links to lists of books, etc.

where I need experience to get opportunities, but need opportunities to gain experience

This is a very real issue, and it is a bit of a catch-22. The core of the advice is really to start with little steps.

You need to have experience with projects, employers, or volunteer opportunities. These needs to be good enough that you can describe them on a resume or in a cover letter and they sound decently impressive. They also need to give you stories that you can use to answer questions like "what is the most logistically complex event or project you've been invo... (read more)

4
bhart
Hey Joseph, thank you so much for your thoughtful reply. I'm having trouble joining the book club that you host; could you please help me? Moreover, I wanted to ask when you say that I may benefit from taking an online training bootcamp, is there something specific I should look out for, something in the project bit? Thanks again for your guidance! It means a lot :)

To a certain extent, I think that local/city groups might fit this description. The EA communities in NYC, DC, and Chicago each have their own Slack workspace, and they also do in-person events. For people not in big cities, EA Anywhere's Slack workspace offers a discussion space. None of those are perfect substitutes for the EA Forum, but my vague impression is that each of them is less AI-focused than the EA Forum. There is also an EA Discord, but I haven't interacted with that much so I can't speak to it's style or quality.

As far as events go, there is ... (read more)

A bit of nice discussion/exploration about longtermism over on the AskPhilosophy subreddit. The short summary might be something like 'don't conflate longtermism with caring about future generations.' Since the EA forum seems to be mostly focused on things other than helping people understand philosophy, I thought it might be nice to share some stuff focused on that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/1ktiqm8/i_dont_get_the_controversy_with_longtermism 

5
James Herbert
I've been thinking about creating an EA Reddit account to contribute to EA-related discussions on there. This has prompted me to get round to it finally.

Tentatively and naively, I think this is accurate.

I'm wondering if there would be any way to target/access this population? If this campaigns existed, what action would it take? Some groups of people are relatively easy to access/target due to physical location or habits (college-aged people often congregate at/around college, vegan people often frequent specific websites or stores, etc.).

I imagine that someone much more knowledgeable about advertising/marketing than I am would have better ideas. All I can come up with off the top of my head is targeted social media advertisements: people who work at one of these several companies and who have recently searched for one of these few terms, etc.

Not obvious at all, and useful/helpful to share and remind us all of. 🙂

In the spirit of encouraging skepticism and critical thinking, I want to encourage everyone to remember how easy it is to believe false/inaccurate or fraudulent research if you don't have contextual expertise. Even well-known and well-respected academics like Acemoglu can endorse things without fully digging into the details.

I almost feel obligated to link to the blog post Beware The Man Of One Study (a good reminder to wait for meta analyses and to only update in a "Bayesian" sense) and to the book Science Fictions (excellent for learning about falsehoods... (read more)

6
calebp
Maybe it's obvious, but there are lots of situations where believing an incorrect fact is less harmful than learning the incorrect fact too slowly. "Real" bayesians who are maximising EV won't have this issue, as they'll be happy to make decisions on the basis of things they think are unlikely to be true.  A more realistic choice is between being the kind of person who doesn't respond quickly to changes in the world, or being someone who might respond quickly enough but is sometimes (maybe even often) wrong.

Some notes about the graphs:

  • These are from a project I did several months ago using data from the Common Data Set, from College Scorecard, from their Form 990 tax filings, and some data from the college's websites.
  • The selection of the non-Harvard schools is fairly arbitrary. For that particular project I just wanted to select a few different types of schools (small liberal arts, more technical focused, etc.) rather than comparing Harvard to other 'hyper elite' schools.
  • I left the endowment graph non-logarithmic just to illustrate the ludicrous difference. Yes, I know it is bad design practice and that it obscures the numbers for the non-Harvard schools.

I know that folks in EA often favor donating to more effective things rather than less effective things. With that in mind, I have mixed feelings knowing that many Harvard faculty are donating 10%, and that they are donating to the best funded and most prestigious university in the world.

On the one hand, it is really nice to know that they are willing to put their money where their mouth is when their institution is under attack. I get some warm fuzzy feelings from the idea of defending an education institution against political attacks. On the other hand,... (read more)

4
Joseph
Some notes about the graphs: * These are from a project I did several months ago using data from the Common Data Set, from College Scorecard, from their Form 990 tax filings, and some data from the college's websites. * The selection of the non-Harvard schools is fairly arbitrary. For that particular project I just wanted to select a few different types of schools (small liberal arts, more technical focused, etc.) rather than comparing Harvard to other 'hyper elite' schools. * I left the endowment graph non-logarithmic just to illustrate the ludicrous difference. Yes, I know it is bad design practice and that it obscures the numbers for the non-Harvard schools.

(My comment is maybe quibbling a bit too much and being too nit-picky. In general I strongly agree that most people in most situations would benefit from spending less time staring at their phones.)

I think of this less as 'using smartphones causes worse life outcomes,' and more as 'mindlessly scrolling through TikTok, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit[1], and similar apps cause worse life outcomes.' I use my phone lots for years: flashcards on Anki to learn languages, listening to on Libby, or sometimes even reading books or articles. People can use the... (read more)

Can't people just buy VWCE/VWRP/IWDA?

Sometimes people can just buy those funds. I'm guessing that people in relatively wealthy/developed economies have the best options (and people living in their home country tend to have better options than people working internationally, since many finance/investment/banking things are restricted by citizenship). Most major European countries probably have services like Interactive Brokers or Vanguard or similar options (although I haven't looked into the details of it). And I assume that things generally are improving ... (read more)

I am also an American who has occasionally given informal investment advice to non-Americans. I agree with the broad strokes of what is written above, and I want to add a note regarding how hard it can be for people who aren't Americans or who don't have access to the types of investment tools:

If you don't have some sort of employer matching, if you don't have some sort of tax sheltered/preferential account available to you, and if you don't have a way to access American stocks, it can be really hard to invest. Many countries don't have something like Vang... (read more)

4
Lorenzo Buonanno🔸
I'm surprised to read this. Interactive Brokers (as an example) is available in many countries, has low fees, and there are many similar country-specific services. Can't people just buy VWCE/VWRP/IWDA? All my friends in Europe and UAE don't seem to find it hard to invest
1
Dave Cortright 🔸
Thanks for sharing your perspective! For any reasonably large economy, I'd think an analog market index fund would be the best alternative. But I admit I didn't look at it in detail. I know that the Millennial Revolution couple are Canadian, and they had some posts on how they invest in America. Those might be of interest.

From 1973 to 2013, a portfolio like this returned

Anytime someone picks a seemingly pointless and random date range like that they are biasing the results. Bonds had record possibly never to be repeated again returns in 1970s and stopping at 2013 ignores the tail end of this incredibly bull run we are in right now. Pretty sure if someone looked at 1990 to 2020 or 1920 to 2020 this overly complex portfolio wouldn't compare as well.

2013 cuts off before US shot forward past international. Conversely, international might shoot ahead next time. I think internati... (read more)

4
MichaelDickens
1. This portfolio has nothing to do with chasing past performance. According to standard finance theory (including making a bunch of assumptions about rational investors, zero transaction costs etc.), the global market portfolio is the theoretically optimal portfolio to hold. The idea is that if markets are efficient then you can't predict which asset classes will outperform, so you should just hold some of everything. 2. This portfolio doesn't require any rebalancing. It's the global market portfolio (or it was as of 2015). If you have 18% in US stocks because they represent 18% of the global market portfolio, and then US stocks go up to 20%, your holdings also go up to 20% so you don't have to do anything. Although it might still take some work to manage if you're adding more money to the portfolio on a monthly basis (or whatever) because you need to deploy your new investment in the correct proportions. 3. Realistically you can get pretty close to the global market portfolio by buying global stocks + global bonds and not worry about the smaller positions. You can do a 2-fund portfolio with 50% VT, 50% BNDW. 4. 1973 to 2013 isn't arbitrary. 1973 was the chosen start year because that's the earliest date at which we have good data on global equity returns.
2
Lorenzo Buonanno🔸
Just want to quickly note that that article was written in 2015, so looking at 1973-2013 doesn't seem that random.   I definitely agree with this, but I'm skeptical that 100% US equities is already at the point where adding some diversification is too costly.   If I understand correctly, donating stocks can be a way to partially offset this that might be useful to keep in mind for EA investors.   That said, I'm really not knowledgeable in this, and it seems plausible that the best way to diversify doesn't include bonds

I've noticed that a lot of the research papers related to artificial intelligence that I see folks citing are not peer reviewed. They tend to be research papers posted to arXiv, papers produced by a company/organization, or otherwise papers that haven't been reviewed and published in respected/mainstream academic journals.

Is this a concern? I know that there are plenty of problems with the system of academic publishing, but are non-peer reviewed papers fine?

Reasons my gut feeling might be wrong here:

  • many I'm overly focusing with a sort of status quo bias,
... (read more)

I work in AI. Most papers, in peer reviewed venues or not, are awful. Some, in both categories, are good. Knowing whether a work is peer reviewed or not is weak evidence of quality, since so many good researchers think peer review is dumb and don't bother (especially in safety). Eg I would generally consider eg "comes from a reputable industry lab" to be somewhat stronger evidence. Imo the reason "was it peer reviewed" is a useful signal in some fields is largely because the best researchers try to get their work peer reviewed, so not being peer reviewed i... (read more)

2
titotal
My understanding is that peer review is somewhat less common in computer science fields because research is often published in conference proceedings without extensive peer review. Of course, you could say that the conference itself is doing the vetting here, and computer science often has the advantage of easy replication by running the supplied code. This applies to some of the papers people are providing... but certainly not all of them.  Peer review is far from perfect, but if something isn't peer reviewed I won't fully trust it unless it's gone through an equivalent amount of vetting by other means. I mean, I won't fully trust a paper that has gone through external peer review, so I certainly won't immediately trust something that has gone through nothing.  I'm working on an article about this, but I consider the lack of sufficient vetting to be one of the biggest epistemological problems in EA. 

What countries/populations punch below their weight in EA when it comes to producing talent?

Fuzzy ideas, off the top of my head, regarding talent in the EA ecosystem:

  • It is pretty clear that England produces more EA talent than we would expect from population and wealth. Part of this is probably due to excellent educational institutions, part of it is probably due to a sort of path dependency/founder effects, and part is probably due to bias in selection effects.
  • China and India have enormous populations (as do Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Indonesia to a lesser
... (read more)

Thanks, Mo. In retrospect, I suppose I should have copied over the tests to make them easier for people to see. Thanks for doing that!

Yes, I literally mean that I've observed in-person social situations in which people don't welcome a new person to join a conversational group, or are otherwise not gracious/welcoming/considerate of someone. None of these were horrendous/egregious violations of etiquette, but they were noticeable in that they excluded a person. I can't speak to what extent this was an intentional act or an act of simple unawareness and not noticing, but I would guess it is more the latter.

And I should clarify that I don't mean "people in EA" to imply "all of EA, in general... (read more)

1
Yarrow Bouchard 🔸
Thank you for explaining. Kindness like this matters to me a lot, and it also matters a lot to me whether someone is aware that another person is in need of their kindness. 

To the extent that people here care about being better people, this seems somewhat relevant: The Bluetooth Test and other keyholes to the soul, written by Adam Mastroianni. It consists of a few reflections on ways to be a better person, presented in the form of 'tests.' Each test is a situation that you probably have been in, or have observed others in. I've definitly observed people in EA fail in some of these (the Circle of Hell Test comes to mind most prominently, but that is probably moderated by an individual's own confidence and social skill). I view... (read more)

1
Yarrow Bouchard 🔸
When you say people in EA have failed at the Circle of Hell Test, what do you mean? Do you literally mean in that specific situation of people standing and talking in a circle and someone trying to join the circle?

Adam's tests, quoted: 

  1. The Bluetooth test: "when you’re given the smallest amount of power, do you use it to make things nice for everybody, or just yourself?"
  2. The Circle of Hell test: "when you see someone writhing in social damnation, do you grab their hand, or do you let ‘em burn?"
  3. The Gottman test: "do you expect to influence others, but refuse to be influenced yourself?"
  4. The codependent problems test: "do you actually want to solve your problem, or are you secretly depending on its continued existence? If you showed up to fight the dragon and found i
... (read more)

I could potentially see some sort of codetermination model working, in which some members of a board of directors (or some other board) are elected. I think this model comes from unions and labor rights. But the tricky aspect would be figuring out who gets to vote. I recall seeing some discussion about the difficulty of voting in the past: only donors? only people who are EAs? How do we draw the dividing line between who is and isn't an EA? Hopefully some people smarter and more widely read than me have good ideas, because that seems quite... tricky.

I'd like to suggest a little bit more clarity here. The phrases you use refer to some knowledge that isn't explicitly stated here. "in light of a recently announced startup" and "three people at the same org" make sense to someone who already knows the context of what you are writing about, but it is confusing to a reader who doesn't have the same background knowledge that you do.

Once upon a time, some people were arguing that AI might kill everyone, and EA resources should address that problem instead of fighting Malaria. So OpenPhil poured millions of dollars into orgs such as EpochAI (they got 9 million). Now 3 people from EpochAI created a startup to provide training data to help AI replace human workers. Some people are worried that this startup increases AI capabilities, and therefore increases the chance that AI will kill everyone.

9
NickLaing
100 percent agree. I dont understand the entire post because I don't know the context. I don't think alluding to something helps, better to say it explicitly.

You are definitly not the only person who has too much to read. My want to read list grows much faster than my ability to read: books, internet blog posts, academic papers, YouTube lectures... I read lots and I still can't keep up! I found it helpful to keep a list (a spreadsheet, actually), and then I can prioritize things a bit better. But you definitly don't have to read everything to "be a part of the club." I also remind myself that it is a marathon, not a sprint.

I enjoyed this. This provided a glimpse into a world that is very different from what I've encountered previously, and I'm really glad that you chose to share it. I do think that there is some truth to what you mention about skill-building. I especially appreciate that you were candid about the perks and costs; a globe-trotting lifestyle can certainly have an appeal, but transience and lack of stability/community is something that is discussed less often.

The snippet about finding "socialising a lot more enjoyable in a headspace where I don't need to prove ... (read more)

A few thoughts. First, it is a really cute story, and I'm glad you shared it. It feels very Japanese.

Second, marketing and tourism aren't often considered as major areas for economic development and growth (at least not in the popular press books I've read or the EA circles I've been in), but this is a simple little case study to demonstrate that having a mascot (or anything else that people like, from fancy buildings to locations tied to things people like) can drive economic activity. But it is also hard to predict in advance what will be a hit. I bet th... (read more)

I'm wondering if the idea of the Thucydides Trap could be considered an info hazard. The idea is that a rising power/country/nation naturally tends to cause military conflict with an established power/country/nation. Graham Allison popularized the idea. If he had chosen to not popularize the term, would fewer people hold the perspective that violent conflict is inevitable between the US and China. Is this somewhat a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Hard to state with any confidence, but considering how widespread the idea is (among foreign policy folks in the USA ... (read more)

As a single data point: seconded. I've explicitly been asked by interviewers (in a job interview) why I left a "higher title job" for a "lower title job," with the implication that it needed some special justification. I suspect there have also been multiple times in which someone looking at my resume saw that transition, made an assumption about it, and choose to reject me. (although this probably happens with non-EA jobs more often than EA jobs, as the "lower title role" was with a well-known EA organization)

I think you get the prize for the first April Fools post of 2025! Here is a cookie: 🍪

4[anonymous]
is that cookie organic, pesticide free, marginally more impactful than a slice of cake, distributed equally, animal cruelty free and 10% of crumbs donated to impactful causes? /joking :)

Could you describe a bit more what you mean here by "standoffishness?" Is it just that people aren't very friendly and welcoming in a social sense?

2
Ozzie Gooen
Sort of. More practically, this includes people being hesitant to share ideas with each other, help each other, say good things about each other, etc. 

For a crowd of people that often doesn't take time off because there is more work to do, or thinks of triage in terms of deaths averted, it can be nice to see people have fun and be silly. I'm mentally preparing myself to see a dozen or more April's fools posts with wordplay, teasing, and snark from various people.

If anybody wants to have serious discussions on the EA Forum, I recommend postponing for a few days.

Sure. What I want to do is get input to figure out if there are any ideas in the draft (or versions of those ideas) that are worth sharing, which I would then make into a post. Some of the ideas in the draft are probably just ramblings or otherwise not really worth sharing

I actually have a draft of an EA Forum post that I've been sitting on for a while about this. So far I'm labelling the idea as something like "privileging the fortunate." If anyone reading this would like to poke around my Google Doc and give me feedback, please let me know. I'd be very happy to have some help in transforming a rough collection of ideas into an EA Forum post.

1
yz
Could you say a bit more about what you want to do about the draft? I assume you would want to criticize/comment on "privileging the fortunate"? And what goals you want to achieve the draft? Thanks!
4
Ozzie Gooen
I'll quickly flag that I might recommend the workflow of: 1. Write up a bunch of thoughts on shortform. Maybe flag that this work is early, if you want. 2. Try to get feedback there. 3. If you still want to make it into a post, then at this point you'll be in a better place to do so. Personally, I feel more comfortable giving most feedback in public spaces like this. That way, if I give a lengthy comment, others can see it. I'm used to settings where I'd spend a lot of time commenting on someone's Google Doc, for a reader count of 1, and typically most comments are ignored anyway. 

Zooming out, regarding other examples of altruistic mistakes that we might be making, I think there are a lot of scenarios in which banning something or making something less appealing in one locations is intended to reduce the bad thing, but actually just ends up shifting the thing elsewhere, where there are even fewer regulations.

  • One critique of the United States's drug policy is that it doesn't halt the production or trade of dangerous drugs, but simply pushes it elsewhere (the balloon effect).
  • When a jurisdiction bans chicken farmers from using small ca
... (read more)
2
Mo Putera
Thank you, this is exactly the kind of list of examples I was looking for.

I also want to give a shout out to the EA Anywhere community for those of us that don't have neighborhoods. EA Anywhere's Slack workspace isn't as nice as living within walking distance of friends or getting together for lunch, but it is a really nice little community for those of us that would otherwise require a bus, two flights, and a train to meet in-person.

An additional upside: people from a variety of countries and cultures are there. If I recall correctly, the people who founded and ran EA Anywhere were from three very different countries.

Tantra and yin/yang are definitly not things I expected to read about on the EA Forum today, but bravo for managing to adapt the ideas and build bridges across cultural differences. This is a lovely example of tailoring communication to the intended audience. I think that a lot of us interested in and involved in effective altruism could learn from this.

I love seeing this kind of initiative, and it is great that the skills you have allow you to contribute in such a clear way.

1
Martina Pepiciello
Thank you Joseph, really appreciate it!
Load more