Managing Director at Hive. Effective Altruism and Animal Advocacy Community Builder, experience in national, local and cause-area specific community building. Amateur Philosopher, particularly keen on moral philosophy.
I'm super happy to chat with anyone and learn from you, so don't hesitate to reach out if you don't have any expertise on the following - however, some specific areas I am hoping to learn more about are:
- I work at Hive, a global community-building organization for farmed animal advocates. I would love to hear your thoughts, (project) ideas and feedback!Â
- The implications, opportunities and risks of AI development on farmed animal advocacy.
- Farmed animal advocacy careers outside of NGOs and Alt-protein (e.g., food industry/adjacent sector jobs and policy in governmental institutions)
I have a fairly good overview of the farmed animal advocacy space, so happy to chat about all things there. I find that I am most helpful in brainstorming, red-teaming, effective giving and career advice. And, of course, happy to talk about Hive or meta-level work in animal advocacy more generally! I have some experience in community building on a city, national and cause-area specific level, so happy to nerd about that. I also have a background in philosophy, focusing on moral philosophy - so happy to bounce ideas or chat cause prioritization.
Great point, Michael! I agree on discounting potential counterfactual impacts of current interventions past X years and think that short-term large payoffs are a very good way of dealing with the overall situation. In addition to that, I'd argue that cheaper higher animal welfare and alternative proteins in X years suggest that interventions will be more cost-effective in X years, which might imply that we should "save and invest" (either literally, in capital, or conceptually, in movement capacity). Do you have any thoughts on that?Â
To me, this suggests prioritizing (1) short-term, large payoff interventions, (2) interventions actively seeking to navigate and benefit animals through an AI transition (depending on how optimistic you are about the tractability of doing so), (3) interventions that robustly invest in movement capacity (depending on whether you think interventions are likely to be more cost-effective in the future), and perhaps (4) interventions that seem unlikely to change through an AI transition (depending on how optimistic you are in their current cost-effectiveness and how high your credence is in their robustness).Â
I don't think the concept of moral responsibility in the way I use it requires judgment (i.e., I wouldn't want to hold someone morally responsible for the sake of their responsibility). Rather, I think moral responsibility here should act as a vehicle to determine where change needs to happen - I think this aligns with my understanding of consequentialism too - in which case, there is no apparent need for free will. Hope this makes sense!
Hey Steven, I think it's great that you are looking into animal charities and it looks like you have done some good initial research here :)Â
There are a couple of points that I imagine many people would want to challenge, especially around invertebrate and wild animal welfare. If you don't mind writing it out, I imagine your thoughts on factoring in uncertainty in your decision-making (i.e., on low-probability, enormous impact scenarios such as in invertebrate welfare) and your thoughts on aggregating welfare among individuals (i.e., on scenarios where orders of magnitudes more animals are affected, but each to a smaller degree such as in invertebrate welfare and in wild animal welfare) would provide a good base for these discussions to happen.
I think these are important discussions in this context specifically, because if you take neglected animals such as invertebrates and wild animals into account, you may want to explore the EA Animal Welfare Fund or ACE's Movement Grant instead of or in addition to ACE's Recommended Charities. I also want to flag that Faunalytics' research shouldn't really be boiled down to "statistics", but I imagine your stance on New Roots Institute (i.e., helping animals directly > education/one-step-removed?) applies here too.Â
All of that being said, based on your expressed views, I think you will find Sinergia Animal to demonstrate the best numbers yet.Â
Lastly, you may find this perspective from ACE worth engaging with, specifically their perspective on ranking charities within recommended charities:
"Update the decision-making process so that it directly compares all recommended charities on marginal cost-effectiveness. Our basis for deciding whether to add a Recommended Charity is whether we think it would lead to more animals being helped on the margin (compared to having a smaller number of Recommended Charities), which is conceptually different from ranking charities. Given the types of uncertainty currently faced by the animal advocacy movement when it comes to calculating cost-effectiveness, we decide whether a charity should be recommended based on a range of decision criteria rather than scoring and ranking charities based on our sense of their relative marginal cost-effectiveness. In the future, if we had sufficiently robust evidence to form reliable cost-effectiveness estimates, including evidence or good proxies for speculative work with complex long-term theories of change, it’s possible we would move more toward the kind of ranking approach that GWWC suggests. Additionally, we consider relative cost-effectiveness during each Recommended Charity Fund distribution, where we adjust the size of each grant depending on the most up-to-date plans that charities share with us." [emphasis added]
I think you make a really important point! You/anyone else interested in this may be interested in talking to @Constance Li and her work with @AI for Animals (Website)
I donate 10% in the form of a salary sacrifice to Hive. In addition, I regularly donate  ~10% spread across other Meta Organizations and Expert-managed funds in the animal space (roughly in order): EA AWF, AAC, Rethink Priorities, and the ACE Movement Grant. I have also made some smaller donations throughout the year to opportunities that I find promising and hope to look further into next year, namely AI for Animals, Animetrics and the Profit for Good Initiative.
I think you might refer to SouthWings? Someone shared it on Hive a while ago, saying
"I wanted to let you know about an organization, SouthWings, that offers small airplane flights to activists and organizations in 15 U.S. states (mainly in the Southeast) - they primarily focus on helping orgs document environmental pollution from the air but I'm sure would be happy to work with animal advocates too. I found this service incredibly helpful for my documentary, The Smell of Money, in which we show factory farm pollution captured from a plane."
I took the 10% Pledge earlier this year, but was contemplating it a lot for a while before. After taking the pledge, I noticed a couple of insights that I think would have probably made me pledge earlier. I think these insights most directly apply to people who were in a similar situation as I was[1]-Â but they might be useful for others as well:
My tentative conclusion from all of this is that, assuming you expect to have a ~normal salary for the majority of your career and live in a high-income country, it is probably not too early to pledge.
Part-time student in a high-income country, no real financial risk, because parents are sufficiently well off, expected to earn at least a median income over my lifetime.
Assuming a forty-year career with the same income - but likely, your income would increase throughout your career and it would be less than 11%.
I am sure someone has mentioned this before, but…
For the longest time, and to a certain extent still, I have found myself deeply blocked from publicly sharing anything that wasn’t significantly original. Whenever I have found an idea existing anywhere, even if it was a footnote on an underrated 5-karma-post, I would be hesitant to write about it, since I thought that I wouldn’t add value to the “marketplace of ideas.” In this abstract concept, the “idea is already out there” - so the job is done, the impact is set in place. I have talked to several people who feel similarly; people with brilliant thoughts and ideas, who proclaim to have “nothing original to write about” and therefore refrain from writing.
I have come to realize that some of the most worldview-shaping and actionable content I have read and seen was not the presentation of a uniquely original idea, but often a better-presented, better-connected, or even just better-timed presentation of existing ideas. I now think of idea-sharing as a much more concrete, but messy contributor to impact, one that requires the right people to read the right content in the right way at the right time; maybe even often enough, sometimes even from the right person on the right platform, etc.
All of that to say, the impact of your idea-sharing goes much beyond the originality of your idea. If you have talked to several cool people in your network about something and they found it interesting and valuable to hear, consider publishing it!
Relatedly, there are many more reasons to write other than sharing original ideas and saving the world :)