peterhartree
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Now: TYPE III AUDIO.
Previously: 80,000 Hours (2014-15; 2017-2021) Worked on web development, product management, strategy, internal systems, IT security, etc.
Before that: My CV.
Side-projects: Inbox When Ready; Radio Bostrom; The Valmy; Comment Helper for Google Docs.
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On "Standards": I often link people to Jason Crawford's blog post "Organisational metabolism: Why anything that can be a for profit should he a for profit."
A long overdue thank you for this comment.
I looked into this, and there is in fact some evidence that less expressive voices are easier to understand at high speed. This factor influenced our decision to stick with Ryan for now.
The results of the listener survey were equivocal. Listener preferences varied widely, with Ryan (our existing voice) and Echo coming out tied and slightly on top, but not with statistical significance.
Given that, we plan to stick with Ryan for now. Two considerations that influence this call, independently of the survey result:
- There's an habituation effect, such that switching costs for existing hardcore listeners are significant.
- There's some evidence that more expressive voices are less comprehensible at high listening speeds. Ryan is less expressive than the other voices we tested.
We'll survey again—or perhaps just switch based on our judgement—when better models are released.
Similar reasons that I want both of Twitter's "home" and "following" views.
I want "People you follow" to include everything and it should be chronological.
If quick takes are includedl, I guess the "People you follow" content could dominate the items that currently make the "New and upvoted" section.
I wish it was easier to find the best social media discussions of forum posts and quick takes.
E.g. Ozzie flagged some good Facebook discussion of a recent quick take [1], but people rarely do that.
Brainstorm on minimal things you could do:
a. Link to Twitter search results (example). (Ideally you might show the best Twitter discussions in the Forum UI, but I'm not sure if their API terms would permit that.)
b. Encourage authors to link to discussion on other platforms, and have a special place in the UI that makes such links easy to find.
I actually can't read the comments because I barely use Facebook and am not in the right group or something, but I guess many people can. ↩︎
I ~never check the "Quick takes" section even though I bet it has some great stuff.
The reason is that its too hard to find takes that are on a topic I care about, and/or have an angle that seems interesting.
I think I'd be much more likely to read quick takes if the takes had titles, and/or if I could filter them by topic tags.
Maybe you can LLM-generate default title and tag suggestions for the author when they're about to post?
Have you visited the 80,000 Hours website recently?
I think that effective altruism centrally involves taking the ideas of philosophers and using them to inform real-world decision-making. I am very glad we’re attempting this, but we must recognise that this is an extraordinarily risky business. Even the wisest humans are unqualified for this role. Many of our attempts are 51:49 bets at best—sometimes worth trying, rarely without grave downside risk, never without an accompanying imperative to listen carefully for feedback from the world. And yes—diverse, hedged experiments in overconfidence also make sense. And no, SBF was not hedged anything like enough to take his 51:49 bets—to the point of blameworthy, perhaps criminal negligence.
A notable exception to the “we’re mostly clueless” situation is: catastrophes are bad. This view passes the “common sense” test, and the “nearly all the reasonable takes on moral philosophy” test too (negative utilitarianism is the notable exception). But our global resource allocation mechanisms are not taking “catastrophes are bad” seriously enough. So, EA—along with other groups and individuals—has a role to play in pushing sensible measures to reduce catastrophic risks up the agenda (as well as the sensible disaster mitigation prep).
(Derek Parfit’s “extinction is much worse than 99.9% wipeout” claim is far more questionable—I put some of my chips on this, but not the majority.)
As you suggest, the transform function from “abstract philosophical idea” to “what do” is complicated and messy, and involves a lot of deference to existing norms and customs. Sadly, I think that many people with a “physics and philosophy” sensibility underrate just how complicated and messy the transform function really has to be. So they sometimes make bad decisions on principle instead of good decisions grounded in messy common sense.
I’m glad you shared the J.S. Mill quote.
EAs should not be encouraged to grant themselves practical exception from “the rules of morality for the multitude” if they think of themselves as philosophers. Genius, wise philosophers are extremely rare (cold take: Parfit wasn’t one of them).
To be clear: I am strongly in favour of attempts to act on important insights from philosophy. I just think that this is hard to do well. One reason is that there is a notable minority of “physics and philosophy” folks who should not be made kings, because their “need for systematisation” is so dominant as to be a disastrous impediment for that role.
In my other comment, I shared links to Karnofsky, Beckstead and Cowen expressing views in the spirit of the above. From memory, Carl Shuman is in a similar place, and so are Alexander Berger and Ajeya Cotra.
My impression is that more than half of the most influential people in effective altruism are roughly where they should be on these topics, but some of the top “influencers”, and many of the ”second tier”, are not.
(Views my own. Sword meme credit: the artist currently known as John Stewart Chill.)