All of Sarah Cheng's Comments + Replies

The virtual version of this event is just a zoom webinar; as far as I can tell, there is no open discussion available virtually. Attendees can propose questions to be asked by the moderator at the end of each talk. Sounds like the recordings of the presentations will be made available afterwards.

Mini EA Forum Update

You can now subscribe to be notified when posts are added to a sequence. You can see more details in GitHub here.

We’ve also made it a bit easier to create and edit sequences, including allowing users to delete sequences they’ve made.

I've been thinking a bit about how to improve sequences, so I'd be curious to hear:

  1. How you use them
  2. What you'd like to be able to do with them
  3. Any other thoughts/feedback
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Lorenzo Buonanno
13d
It could be useful to have some sort of "sequence of sequences", similar to a basic version of https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/handbook For the intro program, I used to link people to https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/users/ea-italy and tell them to scroll down and start from "1. La mentalità dell'efficacia" but many people got confused and started from the latest posts. (So I moved to sending the first sequence directly for the first week) Edit: I've been told they don't use this anymore and switched to Google Docs

Just letting you know that you can now subscribe to be notified when posts are added to a sequence. Hope this is helpful, and let me know if you run into any issues!

You can now subscribe to be notified when posts are added to a sequence. Hope this is helpful, and let me know if you run into any issues!

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Vasco Grilo
20d
Thanks for the update, Sarah!

Ah I see, glad to hear it! Yeah dismissing the popup in one tab doesn't cause the others to refresh or pull the updated data.

My apologies for the inconvenience, and thanks for flagging this! Unfortunately I'm unable to reproduce the issue. Could you provide some more details, such as what browsers/devices you see this on? Does it persist when you refresh? Are you only seeing this when logged in, or have you encountered this while logged out?

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niplav
1mo
Encountered while logged in. Now it doesn't happen anymore. Maybe it was because I'd opened a bunch of tabs before dismissing the notification, which had still pre-loaded on other pages? Anyway, now it's fixed, at least for me.

Users can directly edit wiki pages once they have gotten to 10 karma by using the site. I don't believe this list is actively maintained - you can see in the edit history that the last addition was in 2022.

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Mini EA Forum Update

We’ve updated our new user onboarding flow! You can see more details in GitHub here.

In addition to making it way prettier, we’re trying out adding some optional steps, including:

  1. You can select topics you’re interested in, to make your frontpage more relevant to you.
    1. You can also click the “Customize feed” button on the frontpage - see details here.
  2. You can choose some authors to subscribe to. You will be notified when an author you are subscribed to publishes a post.
    1. You can also subscribe from any user’s profile page.
  3. Y
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Update: We've removed the old version of Wrapped, but also updated the new version to work with 2022 data. You can see your 2022 data here.

One suggestion I would add is to try volunteering. I'm also introverted and went to my first EAG without knowing anyone, and I found it way easier to chat with other volunteers than random people at the conference. The people who volunteer tend to be either fellow first time attendees (including many other students) or people who are friendlier than average.

Currently we've left it up here but we plan to remove it soon to clean up our codebase. I'm curious why you want to see last year's?

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Sarah Cheng
3mo
Update: We've removed the old version of Wrapped, but also updated the new version to work with 2022 data. You can see your 2022 data here.
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Zach Stein-Perlman
4mo
Thanks! General curiosity. Looking at it, I'm interested in my total-hours and karma-change. I wish there was a good way to remind me of... all about how I interacted with the forum in 2022, but wrapped doesn't do that (and probably ~can't do it; probably I should just skim my posts from that year...)

The credit goes to our super talented designer @agnestenlund!

Glad it was helpful! :) Unfortunately the Facebook group is the most active Boston EA space. The group website looks quite outdated, but I think you can still get notified of events via the email list, so I would recommend joining that.

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Hayven Frienby
4mo
Thanks so much! I’ve joined the email list, and might create an account for the FB group. Social media can just be so toxic, though.

A few quick things I would recommend (if you haven't already done them):

  1. Check out the map of community members to see if there are any people near you.
  2. See if there are any online groups that interest you - in particular, I would check out EA Anywhere.
  3. I've done both the introductory and in-depth EA Virtual Programs and I found them really helpful for me to learn and engage with EA ideas. The readings were great and I had some interesting discussions with my cohorts, plus kept in touch with some of them afterward! :)
  4. Since you are near Boston, I suggest you j
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Hayven Frienby
4mo
Thanks so much, Sarah! This is a big help for me in getting started with the community. A quick question—is there any way to connect with the Boston EA group other than Facebook? I deleted all social media years ago and would rather not get back into it.

I'll bet EAF put a lot of thought into their palette.

As Ollie mentioned, I made the set you referenced for just this one thread. As far as I remember it was meant to to support positive vibes in that thread and was done very quickly, so I would not say a lot of thought went into that palette.

It's the "Saved & read" option in the profile photo dropdown menu:

"Filter by topics" lets you search for and select any number of topics, and the results will show anything that has all of the selected topics. Hope that helps!

Thanks for the feedback Linda! I believe you can accomplish this using the topic filters on our current search page, but please let me know if you run into any issues.

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Linda Linsefors
9mo
I don't understand how to do this on your search page. 

I agree that this should be a consideration. Based on the small amount of data I have talking with employees at major AI labs about this, I currently think that overall their workers are less concerned about safety than their management, so I'm worried this could be counterproductive.

Thanks for sharing your feedback! Responding to each point:

  1. I removed the profile button link because I found it slightly annoying that opening that menu on mobile also navigates you to your profile, plus I think it's unusual UX for the user menu button to also be a link.
  2. We recently changed this back, so now both the timestamp and the link icon navigate you to the comment permalink. We’ll probably change the link icon to copy the link to your clipboard instead.
  3. We didn't change the criteria for whether the vote arrows appear at the bottom of a post - we stil
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That's right, you should be able to mention users with @ and posts with #. However, it does seem like they're both currently broken, likely because we recently updated our search software. Thanks for flagging this! We'll look into it.

I definitely feel it was worth the time for me personally. It was great for learning about the field of AI alignment (problems and proposed solutions). I was hoping the course would spend more time on arguments for and against AI being an x-risk, but unfortunately there was little of that, so it didn't change my mind much.

I'm enjoying the podcast so far! One suggestion: I'd love if you could put links in the episode description for all the things you bring up during the episode (books, newsletters, articles, etc.), to make them easier to reference.

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James Özden
1y
Thank you for the kind words and great feedback! This initially slipped our mind but tanks to your comment, we're now doing so :)

Thanks for reporting this! I've updated the link in the post.

You'll need a site admin to help with both of these. Could you contact us with the details (ex. how you want the chapters organized)? Thanks!

Interesting, thanks for flagging this bug! It should be fixed now - please let us know if you run into any related issues.

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Nathan Young
1y
Though it only shows up at the start. If you search "community" it still doesn't.

Yup, we updated all posts and shortforms to include agree voting today.

Oh sorry, a recent change to images caused a bug, but it should be fixed now. (You can fix your image by editing and submitting your comment.)

You can add "Community" as an option by clicking on the + button and searching for it.

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Nathan Young
1y
It is not listed here. And I tried to resubmit my image. Still looks massive.

You can re-hide them from that section by opening "Customize Feed" and setting "Community" to be "Hidden":

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Nathan Young
1y
I don't see an option:     And your image isn't showing to me.

Thanks for reporting the bug! I just deployed a fix, so the "Magic" default sorting should be properly applied now.

Could be worth adding these to the Community Infrastructure wiki description as well.

Yeah I was wondering if this was what the question asker was getting at. Thank you for clearly explaining it.

You're right that this doesn't exist. My instinct is that this doesn't provide enough value to be worth the cost of the extra UX complication and the slight deanonymizing affect on voting. I'd be curious to hear how this kind of feature would be helpful for you.

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Lin BL
1y
They'd have the information of upvotes and downvotes already (to calculate the overall karma). I don't know how the forum is coded, but I expect they could do this without too much difficulty if they wanted to. So if you hover, it would say something like: "This comment has x overall karma, (y upvotes and z downvotes)." So the user interface/experience would not change much (unless I have misinterpreted what you meant there). It'll give extra information. Weighting some users higher due to contribution to the forum may make sense with the argument that these are the people who have contributed more, but even if this is the case it would be good to also see how many people overall think it is valuable or agree or disagree. Current information: * How many votes * How valuable these voters found it adjusted by their karma/overall Forum contribution New potential information: * How many votes * How valuable these voters found it adjusted by their karma/overall Forum contribution * How many overall voters found this valuable e.g. 2 people strongly agreeing and 3 people weakly disagreeing may update me differently to 5 people weakly agreeing. One is unanimous, the other people have more of a divided opinion of, and it would be good for me to know that as it might be useful to ask why (when drawing conclusions based on what other people have written, or when getting feedback on my own writing). I would like to see this implemented, as the cost seems small, but there is a fair bit of extra information value.

Yeah, the forum relies a lot on hover effects, which don't work very well on mobile. To avoid that in this case seems like it would overcomplicate the UI though, so I'm not sure what an improved UX would look like. I'll add this to our backlog for triage.

Hovering over the karma score displays how many votes there are. Does that address your request, or is there something missing?

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Coafos
1y
Note: I tried to do it on mobile, and it's not working everywhere? I tried to tap on post karma or question answer karma but it did not show total vote count. (On my laptop it works.)
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Lin BL
1y
This does not give a complete picture though. Say something has 5 karma and 5 votes. First obvious thought: 5 users upvoted the post, each with a karma of 1. But that's not the only option: * 1 user upvotes (value +9), 4 users downvote (each value -1) * 2 users upvote (values +4 and +6), 3 users downvote (values -1, -1 and -3) * 3 users upvote (values +1 and +2 and +10), 2 users downvote (values -1 and -7) Or a whole range of other permutations one can think of that add up to 5, given that different users' votes have different values (and in some cases strong up/downvoting). Hovering just shows the overall karma and overall number of people who have voted, unless I am missing a feature that shows this in more detail?

Thanks for flagging that we had a bug affecting voting! It should be fixed now, please let me know if you see any more related issues.

I appreciate the suggestions! I agree we should make this info easier to find - added these to our list for triage.

I think I'm confused by where the "additional suffering" is coming from. If dying via being caught is approximately as painful as dying via other common means, then is this argument based on the premise that the fish will lead net negative lives?

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Ren Ryba
1y
Very roughly, yes. If you assume that bringing a wild fish into existence is bad (and outweighs the benefits from not catching fish), then  fishery subsidy reform looks bad. The assumption of net negative lives is one position from which you can arrive at this conclusion. There are other positions from which you can arrive at this conclusion too. If you think that bringing a wild fish into existence is good or neutral, then fishery subsidies reform looks more promising. In practice, we don't know whether bringing a wild fish into existence is good, bad, or neutral, and there are plausible arguments supporting all three of these. But it does seem that a large proportion of the moral value of fishery subsidy reform comes from bringing additional wild fish into existence. Since it's unclear whether that is good or bad, we are not able to recommend this as a clearly good intervention.

Thanks for sharing this - I found it informative! :)

Fisheries subsidy reform would probably cause more fish to be brought into existence and more fish to suffer highly painful deaths by being caught in fisheries. This additional suffering would likely outweigh any benefits from fewer fish being caught in the short-term.

Just to clarify, are you saying that a fish dying via being caught in a fishery is more painful than other ways that it's likely to die? If so, can you expand on why that is?

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Ren Ryba
1y
Thanks for the feedback :) No, that was probably poorly expressed on my part. What I'm saying is: if you catch reducing fishing effort now, you catch fewer fish in the short-term, but many more fish in the long-term. This means that the total number of fish being caught (and thus suffering) could increase.
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Max Görlitz
1y
Yes, that is the one! Thanks, Sarah. I wasn't able to find it. 

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Thanks for the feedback! This is one of multiple job-related tests we're running on the forum, to see if we can find something impactful to build. We did try out your suggestion in the form of the Who's hiring? (May-September 2022) thread, and we're still analyzing the results. The difference here, as Lorenzo pointed out, is that we could potentially capture people who are not actively looking for a job but would consider applying if they were made aware of relevant opportunities.

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bruce
2y
I weakly think a dedicated thread to job offers would be better - active jobseekers can more easily go through a thread, and this keeps the noise : signal ratio in comment sections lower. It also means orgs wanting to hire will have a go-to place, instead of trying to advertise on every relevant post, which would make the comment section a less enjoyable place for me personally if everyone were to do this. (I think if this is a test for job ads that are put out ONLY by the EA Forum team, that'd be better, but still probably worse than a dedicated thread)

Thanks for asking! I'd suggest looking at the 80k Hours job board filtered by "nuclear security" - for example, I see the Junior Policy Fellow position at the Centre for Science and Policy in Cambridge, UK. Hope that helps! :)

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Girving
2y
Hi Sarah,  Do you know if anywhere in the UK has programmes such as this? Thank you
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