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Thanks for the info.   I had never heard of Dustin Moskovitz and Sam Bankman-Fried.  I just read about them on wikipedia.  Now it makes more sense.

I read the link to "Is effective altruism growing? An update on the stock of funding vs. people"

I don't understand this:

  • How much funding is committed to effective altruism (going forward)? Around $46 billion.

Do you mean $46 billion to all effective altruism groups, or the researchers, or what?   As it is used in this forum, does EA refer to a particular group that uses this forum, or effective altruism in general?

It is a little more vague than that. It means (at least as I interpret it) something like 'there currently exists $46bn which Ben Todd thinks is quite committed to eventually being spent to improve the world using an EA framework of trying to do the most good'

Most of those assets currently belong to Dustin Moskovitz and Sam Bankman-Fried

I hope my comment comes across as curious rather than judgemental.

Is this the most effective use of our money?  Flying a long distance to go to an in person conference?  What if you stayed home and gave the money you would spend on the conference to an effective charity?

Just asking as I get into the whole EA mindset.  I spend a lot of money on luxuries that could be better spent on charity.  I don't look down on anyone who chooses to spend money to go to this conference.  Curious about your thoughts on this.

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Kat Woods
3y
Good question! I think it's definitely high impact and will give a couple anecdotes to illustrate it below: When I was looking back on the last ten years and what were the highest impact mind changes I had in that period of time, around 30% of them came from conversations at EAGs, directly leading to me founding two of the charities I've started.  This isn't counting other benefits, including meeting my best friend of the last 6 years (who introduced me to my romantic partner), and hiring some of my best hires.  A second anecdote, is I remember this question coming up years back and about how it seemed self-serving. If it was truly  high impact, then you'd fund the tickets for other people to go. Somebody found this persuasive and funded other people's tickets. Including one person who ended up being one of our best hires and who since went on to start his own charity that is quite high impact. Of course, hard to tell the counterfactuals, but I think for a lot of these there's a very high chance they wouldn't have happened otherwise. 

It's a good question. For some people who have already considered their plans pretty carefully and who don't expect much benefit from meeting others in the community, it might not be worthwhile. Or just people for whom the travel / time costs would be unusually high (personally, I'm in that category this year).

I expect it to be most valuable for people who are considering some kind of change of plan in how they might have impact. Hearing about projects in the community and getting input from other people on your plans could be really valuable, allowing you... (read more)

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Isaac Dunn
3y
I think this is a great question to ask. As it happens, I think it probably is an effective use of money, in short because it's an investment in the human capital of the community, which is probably one of the main bottlenecks to impact at the moment. That's because there's a large amount of money committed to EA compared to the number of people in the community working out the best ways to spend it. It's true that there are global health charities that could absorb a lot more money, but there's interest in finding even more impactful ways to spend money! ETA: looks like Stefan got there slightly quicker with a very similar answer!

One consideration is that EA has attracted a lot of money in recent years, and that investing in EA human capital (e.g. through improved networks, transfer of key knowledge, etc) could be very valuable. (See also this older post on talent constraints vs funding constraints.)

No replies to my question.  Maybe because the two groups are so similar.  I may just split my donations between the two groups and forget about the small amount of money lost to the extra expense of processing two donations rather than one.  Or I might just pick one at random.

When I donate to Life You Save, the money is divided equally and goes to their 22 highest rated charities.  Is this inefficient?  

Givewell has something similar.  You can donate monthly to Givewell and have them forward the money to several different charities from their list.   Is this inefficient?  

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abrahamrowe
3y
In these cases, it's likely that you're getting better returns on credit card fees than giving directly to 22 charities, but marginally worse efficiency on processing costs, since it is probably around the same processing  cost for all 22 charities, and also a processing cost at The Life You Can Save, etc. Based on this, from a pure cost-to-programs view, I'd guess that if it is split up among at least 3 or 4 charities or more, the credit card fee benefits will outweigh the lower efficiency from the processing, so it is probably usually worth giving to something like the GiveWell maximum impact fund or TLYS, or the EA Funds, etc. Also, I think getting all the benefits  you also get from giving via those funds, like the ones esentorella describes, makes it especially worthwhile to continue giving via those funds (e.g. their research and understanding about how to optimally redistribute the funding).
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What do you mean by inefficient? When I donate through GiveWell, I donate through their Maximum Impact Fund, so that GiveWell can flexibly decide how and when the money will be allocated among their recommended charities. That way, if one charity needs less money than expected, GiveWell can steer money away from that organization and towards others that need it more. Since they're in ongoing contact with the charities they recommend and things can change over time, they're better placed to allocate donations than I am.
  • "Often the overhead on processing a small donation can be fairly high, so it could be worth donating to fewer organisations so that your donations to those you give to are larger."

I am donating $50 automatically each month to each of the 5 organizations.  Would it make much of a difference if I just  picked one and donated $250/month to it?  How much of a difference?  How much is the overhead on processing automatic monthly donations?

I believe the typical nonprofit credit card rate (for Visa and Mastercard) is 2.2%+0.30 USD. So for 5 x $50 donations, it's costing around $1.4*5 = $7 to process your credit card payments across all organizations. For my organization, entering a donation in whatever systems we enter it in probably takes around 5 minutes. I'd guess that with taxes, etc., the average EA nonprofit ops person costs around $40 / hour, so that's another $3.33 per donation = $16.67 across all donations. So of your $250, around $23.67 is going to overhead costs.

If you gave it in o... (read more)