Given a limited stock of resources, prioritizing one thing more means prioritizing some other things less. Do you have thoughts about which causes "EA" should consider prioritizing less?
Given a limited stock of resources, prioritizing one thing more means prioritizing some other things less. Do you have thoughts about which causes "EA" should consider prioritizing less?
I’d say community building at elite western universities, general global priorities + longtermism philosophy research and the development of alternative proteins. But also could make sense to very broadly shift resources from current priorities to these ones.
Most of these seem intractable and many have lots of people working on them already.
The benefit of bed nets and vitamin A supplementation is that they are proven solutions to neglected problems.
Agree that it would be difficult to generate comparably high certainty evidence for most of these cause areas.
However, I think interventions in these areas could still have high expected value and perform well on the ITN framework so could still be worth pursuing, the way pandemic preparedness, AI safety and broader approaches and political approaches to international development and farmed animal welfare are pursued by EA at the moment.
Interested to hear which of these causes you feel are not neglected at the moment. I’d say you’re probably right for 19, 20 and 25.
On 18A/C, there have been a number of very expensive trials for new antidepressant agents, including for TRD . . . and they have generally underperformed in Stage III trials. There is a huge financial incentive for a successful product in this area in the high-income markets. So not particularly neglected, and I'm not sold on tractability either. For example, I don't think the current armamentum of antidepressants as monotherapy is more effective than the old school MAOIs and TCAs from decades ago (although the drug interactions, cheese-eating risk, and overdose risk SSRIs are much improved with SSRIs etc.).
I think promoting access to mental-health care in low-income countries is an easier argument to make than throwing billions more into trying to find a better treatment for TRD.
Good point, this makes sense.
I'd add specifically transforming American governance/political system and protecting the United States from destabilization/the anti-democratic threat. (I'm singling out the United States because of its consequences as the world's superpower.)
This may fall under "general medical stuff" but I've always been surprised how little EA seems to care about aging and human longevity, especially given how fond this community is in measuring "quality life years".
Progress here could solve depopulation problems among the other obvious benefits.
I think there’s a decent “extending lifespan would slow down generational replacement, slowing down moral progress” argument which means that extending lifespan is lower EV than lots of other stuff
If I understand what you're saying correctly, this is another reason I don't identify as EA.
You're basically saying people dying is advantageous because their influence is replaced by people you deem as having superior virtues?
Its not obvious to me that "replacement" generations have superior values to those that they replace merely on account of being younger/newer etc..
But even accepting that's the case, how is discounting someone's life because they have the wrong opinions not morally demented?
I’m saying that’s a benefit of death and that it reduces the EV of extending lifespan, not that it makes death good overall or means that extending lifespan is net negative.
Even if lifespan extension is good, it shouldn’t be a major EA cause area unless it has a very high EV.
Agree that the importance of generational replacement for moral progress is not super clear, but I expect that the effect of generational replacement is large enough for maximum lifespan extension to not be a good focus for EA.
Also worth adding that there is strong private sector incentive to develop anti aging interventions which also makes this a less promising cause area for EA.
Also agree that “value lives equally” is a good principle, but when allocating limited resources to high impact interventions, I think it makes sense to account for all known factors, including the effects of the moral views of the beneficiaries of the interventions, even if that causes us to value lives slightly unequally.
Also I don’t think my views are generally representative of EA so would advise against making judgements about EA on my views alone.
I'm loathe to use this, but let's use QLY and assume, as I believe, it can never be less than 0 (e.g. better to die than live).
There is nothing worse than death. There are no benefits unless that death unlocks life.
I don't think the (likely nonexistent) positive effects of "generation replacement" will mean literally fewer deaths, and certainly not on a scale to justify discounting the deaths of entire generations of individuals.
I don't think "personal beliefs" should be included in an "all known factors" analysis of how we invest our resources. Should I value Muslim lives less because they may disagree with me on gay rights? Or capital punishment? Why not, in your framework?
I also don't think there's a "but" after "all lives are equal". That can be true AND we have to make judgment calls about how we invest our resources. My external action is not a reflection of your intrinsic worth as a human but merely my actions given constraints. Women and children may be first on the lifeboat, but that does not mean they are intrinsically worth more morally than men. I think it's a subtle but extremely important distinction, lest we get to the kind of reasoning that permits explicitly morally elevating some subgroups over others.
I do agree that there is private sector incentive for anti-aging, but I think that's true of a lot of EA initiatives. I'm personallg unsure of how wise diverting funds from Really Important Stuff is a good thing just because RIS happens to be profitable. I could perhaps make the case it's even MORE important to invest there, if you're inclined to be skeptical of the profit motive (though I'm not, so I'm not included).
FWIW, my view is that there are states worse than being dead, such as extreme suffering.
I don’t mean that we should place less intrinsic worth on people’s lives because of their views, but I think it is okay to make decisions which do effectively violate the principle of valuing people equally - your women and children on lifeboats first is a good example of this. (Also agree with you that there’s a slippery slope here and important to distinguish between the two)
I think “don’t donate to solving problems where there is strong private sector incentive to solve them” is a good heuristic for using charity money as effectively as possible, because there is a very large private sector trying to maximise profit and a very small EA movement trying to maximise impact. Agree that EA doesn’t follow this heuristic very consistently, eg - I think we should donate less to alternative protein development since there’s strong private sector incentive there.
This is a list of cause areas that EA should consider prioritising more.
For most of these cause areas, I'm aware of a very small number of EAs working on them.
In another post where I suggested that EA cause priorities are highly uncertain and probably prone to "founder effects", I proposed this thought experiment:
Imagine 100 different timelines where effective altruism emerged. How consistent do you think the movement’s cause priorities (and rankings of them) would be across these 100 different timelines?
These cause areas are ones that I can imagine an effective altruism movement in another timeline prioritising to the extent that our EA movement prioritises randomista development and global health, farmed animal welfare, pandemics, AI safety and community building at elite universities.
Agreed about the tractability of space governance over time. We are setting up foundations for this field at the Center for Space Governance – if anyone is interested in supporting us, please get in touch.