Thanks for the comments, all! I pretty much agree with the bulk of them so far, and have added an edit to the post above.
Thanks for the comments, all! I pretty much agree with the bulk of them so far, and have added an edit to the post above.
From the title I expected "should we steer companies towards giving to highly effective charities", to which the answer is obviously yes. X risk and animal suffering may be too controversial for them, but bed nets are not. This seems more like "Should EA seek publicity via corporate engagement", which seems like a very different question.
Hi all - I'm a corporate consultant who also works at Giving What We Can, and have just created a group for EAs interested in corporate engagement. I agree with the sentiments of this article, and have added my ideas to the corporate engagement model document too. Come and join the group...
I do believe this is valid for the reasons you have brought up and also true on the market level. I would argue that a generic idea a firm can adopt as its own (own it) is more commercially attractive than a product explicitly corellated with an unmanageable social movement. The decision to move this product outside of our brand is small but important, and I opt for it.
The remaining question to everyone then is how to build and market that product? Wouldn't the criteria of importance, tractability and uncrowdedness be a good start (as mentioned by William Saunders in this thread*) How to control the risks suggested by Tyler?
*https://www.facebook.com/groups/599554863520886/permalink/604519439691095/?qa_ref=qd?
Hi all - I'm a corporate consultant who also works at Giving What We Can, and have just created a group for EAs interested in corporate engagement. I agree with the sentiments of this article, and have added my ideas to the corporate engagement model document too. Come and join the group...
As ckbyrd said, the worst risks can be thwarted by omitting mention of the “effective altruism” label. Pitches for specific companies should also bear in mind the corporate identity of the company and on that basis make custom recommendations for more effective giving.
A little while ago I’ve been thinking about starting an EA intermediary for payroll giving and matching gifts, like EasyMatch. A great advantage that I see in EA in that area is that corporate philanthropy is often criticized for being all about PR so that it’s not focused on impact. A company whose customers or employees care about impact could effectively avoid that charge by explicitly supporting highly effective charities.
Hi all - I'm a corporate consultant who also works at Giving What We Can, and have just created a group for EAs interested in corporate engagement. I agree with the sentiments of this article, and have added my ideas to the corporate engagement model document too. Come and join the group...
Thanks for the heads-up!
This is an issue that I'm very interested in and I'll post a longer response later. Concisely, I think all of the points you made are basically right, but that we should pursue more corporate involvement anyway.
I agree with Elizabeth and RomeoStevens that a watered-down pitch (which shouldn't necessarily mention 'EA/Effective Altruism' at all, and definitely shouldn't reference Peter Singer) can be effective in this context, but I think your observation about corporate giving and PR is much more important than it might initially seem. Many corporations are intimidated by any significant charitable giving in part because they worry that large donations (monetary or otherwise) will be perceived as a misappropriation of shareholder funds. In addition, many corporations want to focus their charitable contributions on the communities where they operate, in order to maximize PR gains and minimize real cost.
That being said, huge sums of corporate money are potentially available, if the pitch is handled in the right way, and even a failed pitch to a corporation creates networking opportunities to talk to wealthy/influential donors on a personal basis, which can lead to donations/other assistance that is not limited in the same way as corporate donations.
Hi all - I'm a corporate consultant who also works at Giving What We Can, and have just created a group for EAs interested in corporate engagement. I agree with the sentiments of this article, and have added my ideas to the corporate engagement model document too. Come and join the group...
EDIT: As commenters below point out, my post was poorly named! The question my post actually addresses is something closer to "Should we spread the brand and philosophy of the EA movement to corporate giving?" (To which my answer is "not yet.") There is a separate question, which is, "Should we make corporate giving more effective?" that I do not tackle. (The answer to this question is probably, "Yes, as long as we err on the side of caution in our use of the EA brand. The Giving What We Can, The Life You Can Save, and the GiveWell sub-brands might be more appropriate here.")
Some time ago, I set off on a plan to use this year's EA Global to improve corporate giving. This plan included the sketch of a corporate engagement model aimed at steering billions of dollars to the best bets for saving and improving lives. The thought was that we'd get a half-dozen high-level people in corporate giving to publicly support this model.
I now think this plan was not well-considered, and have since put it on pause. Here's why.
There are a number of reasons why the EA movement should be careful about large-scale attempts to influence giving in general, and corporate giving in particular at this early stage of the movement. The first two reasons detail why instituting truly EA giving policies may be intractable at this point in the movement's development. The last reason details why it might be net negative to influence large-scale corporate giving at present.
As Helen Toner put it best, EA is principally about asking the question, "How can I do the most good?" (Or, less controversially, but somewhat less accurately, "How can I save and improve the most lives?") This question regularly yields answers that likely feel too weird for the public at present, such as "Support meta-charity" or "Prevent existential risks."
Since much of corporate giving is understandably tied to PR, I suspect that many corporate philanthropists will feel constrained in their ability to sync their giving policies with off-beat giving opportunities, even if they believe that those opportunities are the best ones.
Three caveats to this conclusion:
The question, "How can I save and improve the most lives?" practically entails the assumption that there are some ways of saving/improving lives are better than others. From there, you get the importance of cause prioritization. This is still a controversial idea. E.g., a company might get flack for matching GiveWell/Open Phil-recommended donation while declining to match donations to unsupported nonprofits.
If we think global coordination on the world's best do-gooding opportunities is important, then we better do a good job of protecting some of the best things about the EA movement.
EA is currently one of the best bets out there for creating global coordination. This is because:
This approximate agreement on values and methodology makes it possible for the words "effective altruism" to entail something quite substantive. It also enables EAs to coordinate even across dramatically different cause areas.
However, given that the EA movement is still at an early stage, it is still possible for the words "effective altruism" to be co-opted and lose their current substance. My sense is that the ethical and intellectual core of EA needs much greater fortification before EA should be spread too widely, including via corporate giving reform. (At EA Outreach, we've become fond of saying that we're currently in the "movement-development" business, rather than in the "movement-building" one.)
For instance, it would be a really bad scenario if Twitter announced that they are adopting an EA-based giving policy if that giving policy lacked pieces like cause-prioritzation or focused too much the public's attention on a narrow definition of EA (e.g. that EA is only about charitable giving). Twitter has a bigger megaphone than we do, and can probably influence the meaning of the words "effective altruism" to a greater degree than we can.
If you weaken the ethical and intellectual core of EA, you run the risk of undermining the community's ability to reach consensus on the best world-improvement opportunities, and then coordinate resources toward those opportunities.
All that said, I still think people should take on the mission of improving corporate giving. However, they should practice the utmost care while doing so!
Thoughts? Questions? Rebuttals?
The soft sell seems valuable. I have heard of some successes redirecting from less effective global poverty causes to more effective global poverty causes. This seems good both on the object level and in improving the EA public image.
The more controversial stuff seems actively bad at this point in time.
Hi all - I'm a corporate consultant who also works at Giving What We Can, and have just created a group for EAs interested in corporate engagement. I agree with the sentiments of this article, and have added my ideas to the corporate engagement model document too. Come and join the group...
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