Shouldn't we include and recruit the beneficiaries into EA?  Why are we constraining EA to be a arcane movement? Are the ideas of EA really untranslatable and unpersuasive to laypersons?

I put links to the theory there. I have read this theory. The conclusions are obvious if you read the theory. I can't do a better job than CGP Gray's 20 minute amazing explanatory cartoon.

If you watch that video then I will fully engage in human chat. But I can't have that discourse with someone if they haven't done the basic prerequisite of understanding selectorate theory, which is a nearly canonical model of how politics works game theoretically.

Are we trying to get at truth here are we trying to engage ideas? 

Or is this an athletic exercise of performing discourse?

Wow, Sorry no this entire post was from me. Four humans by humans. The monospace text box is a prompt that you're supposed to paste in to one of the chatbots, to see the results.

Y'all going to try this out? Why the down votes? (Removed a comment about "cowards".)

100%. This is what is happening kwa ground in LICs and LMICs. 

Here's a more straightforward presentation, hope it helps. https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/PWYQh6uhxKCswrJLy/on-selectorate-theory-and-the-narrowing-window

What I mean is that it would be super nice to be able to enjoy these human learning techniques. And have decades of life in which to enjoy those things. 

But, because of the concerns about human political economy in the footnote, which Will McCaskill mentions super obliquely and quietly in his latest post I don't think that ASI is going to get the chance to kill off the first 4 billion of humanity. ASI might overrun the globe and finish off the next 4 billion, but we're going to get in the first punch 👊!

Please upload this humble cultivator, this one so totally upvoted your comment!🙇‍♂️😅

Authoritarian rule means you've gambled. You're crossing your fingers and hoping that you get something more on the Singapore side of things, and something less on the Myanmar North Korea side of things. Mao was better before he got worse.

The only thing worse than authoritarian rule is entrenched futile feudal conflicts that are structurally feuding with proxy wars spilling over into all the low income countries, and then the messes start spilling back, if that's what you care about.

The problem with our democracies right now is there likely to skip past the possible stable states and zoom straight to the dark ages.

Those are great links, and a key part of the logic behind this point. 👍

I also appreciated your jounalistic (judgement-reserved, wikipedia NPOV) summary of Peter Thiel's ideas about EA being the literal antichrist. I actually agree with much of his logic behind those ideas... but I feel that his conclusion is quite degenerate.

I think there's such a Western-centered groupthink that "Global reconciliatory governance would be so easily corrupted into a scary global totalitarian dystopia"... that we're steering right into a much more real and present conflict-dystopia of a modern dark ages or warring kingdoms.