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Hi Nick,
Thanks for noting that section of the post could have been clearer! We’ve edited the article to clarify that New Incentives went from serving 70,000 to 1.5 million children per year.
We agree that the extra lives saved (“indirect deaths” in our analysis) is an interesting question. Both the magnitude of the adjustment and the exact mechanisms (i.e., which other causes those deaths are coming from in the GBD bucket) are major sources of uncertainty in our model, and we don’t currently specify what other deaths are being averted through vaccination in our analysis. We may follow up with a post to share more about our work on indirect deaths in the future.
Thanks again for the feedback!
Hi Nick,
Thank you for providing this feedback! My name is Vicky, and I am a Research Associate at GiveWell, on the vaccines team. We really appreciate these kinds of rough sense checks on our work and thought this was a great approach.
Our lookback includes children enrolled across multiple years of programming (roughly covering 2020 to 2026) whereas the enrollment figures in your estimate only include a single year of program operations.
We think this difference–the assumed number of children enrolled with GiveWell funding—is the main reason the upper bound you estimated for the number of deaths averted appears significantly lower than the estimates in our lookback, although we’re still exploring other potential discrepancies between the numbers in your approach and our estimates.[6]
Thanks again for your engagement!
In 2023, New Incentives reported enrolling 1,518,904 children across 9 states. See New Incentives, 2023 Annual Report, p.8-9
We estimated this by taking the total amount of funding (roughly $120 million) divided by the cost per child enrolled (roughly $19 per child enrolled) between 2020 and 2024. This assumes that the cost per child enrolled between 2025 and 2026 will remain similar to the historical weighted average.
The 81% in our public report is based on a single state, Bauchi, and the exact percentage differs across states depending on baseline coverage and New Incentives’ expected impact in that state. In addition, we've made some internal updates to the model since the last version of our intervention report was published.
6.3 million * (1 - 81%) = roughly 1.2 million children counterfactually vaccinated by the program.
1.2 million children counterfactually vaccinated * 5% risk of dying from causes that might be preventable through vaccination = 60,000 deaths potentially averted as an upper bound.
Across states where the New Incentives program operates, we estimate that unvaccinated children experience roughly a 3% to 8% chance of dying from vaccine-preventable diseases and that vaccination reduces their risk of dying by roughly 50%, which appears more in-line with your estimates. For more on how we estimate these, see our public report here.
Thanks for sharing your critique of our recent grants with Open Philanthropy for technical support units (TSUs). We really appreciate this thoughtful pushback! We've recommended (and are considering) a number of grants to help respond to the current situation with cuts in US foreign health assistance. So, getting critiques like yours is helpful since it encourages us to pause and consider whether we’re making the right tradeoffs in these grants. While we share some of your perspectives on the uncertainties of this work, we're still excited about our decision in this case.
While this grant’s impact is particularly uncertain, we see this as a difference in degree, not kind, compared to other grants we recommend. Most of our funding still goes to Top Charities - proven programs backed by strong evidence and our cost-effectiveness analysis. But we also recommend opportunities through the All Grants Fund. The goal of this fund is to find and fund what we believe are the highest-impact uses of marginal dollars, even when those opportunities are riskier or harder to model. This grant fits squarely in that approach. We’ve funded technical assistance from the All Grants Fund before, alongside grants that are uncertain for other reasons. For example, sometimes we're trying to generate new evidence, while at other times we're recommending high expected value bets even when we know we’re unlikely to get a definitive answer on their impact.
We agree that the evidence base for TSUs is thin. In general, we think it’s challenging to evaluate technical assistance programs because
So even if the review that Nick cites had found good evidence for past TA programs, we still might not feel sure that it would generalize to the TSUs we recommended funding.
But as discussed above, we don’t consider high uncertainty to be a dealbreaker in grants funded from the All Grants Fund. We still think it can be worth funding TA (see, e.g., our maternal syphilis grants) and we’re very interested in building up our ability to learn about programs like this over time. (We’re working on a project looking back on a subset of technical assistance grants we’ve funded, but don’t have a publication date for that yet.)
While we don't have detailed theories of change, we still think it's plausible that TSUs could be impactful. We are excited about this grant because we think it could help governments to make difficult prioritization and program adaptation decisions in countries affected by US government funding freezes and cuts. We expect that the details of how this could look will vary by country and so we don’t feel confident that any particular mechanism will cash out in impact. But for example, we think TSUs could help governments to:
While we think the above examples are plausible, we agree that the theory of change for these programs is not tightly specified. However, we spoke with senior Ministry of Health officials in each country about this grant, and overall governments voiced support and demand for the proposed TSUs and were eager to have CHAI and PATH's support on this work. We also think both organizations are well-placed to support this work, as both have supported on malaria-specific TSUs in the past, have teams with specific focus on health systems and health financing, and have established relationships with the governments they’re supporting.
Budget - Thank you for sharing your estimates - this is helpful for us as we continue to update how we review budgets. We’ll share a high level budget breakdown for this grant with our public grant write-ups (which are coming - see below!). One quick clarification (which wasn’t clear in the podcast) is that costs for Nigeria reflect support in seven states as well as national support.
Outside of that, we think that the higher budget reflects both higher salaries and a higher non-salary budget share (to account for travel, coordinating stakeholder engagement, and support from global technical teams). Our understanding is that salaries are set based on globally-benchmarked salary ranges and localized equity adjustments to account for organizational equitable pay standards and differential cost of living across different geographies. A portion of the compensation costs is also due to benefits (such as health insurance) that may be standard to each location.
Learning - We agree that we should try to learn about the impact of these grants and also agree with commenters and Nick’s revision that an RCT isn’t an appropriate strategy. We’ve asked CHAI and PATH to track and report out on the following.
We’ll attempt to triangulate these reports through speaking with other stakeholders, though we expect we’ll still have substantial uncertainty about impact given the lack of counterfactuals.
No CEA and grant write up. These are coming! We typically have a lag between making grants and publishing our write-ups, but wanted to share about this grant sooner because we’ve received a lot of interest in our response to the funding cuts. We expect to publish pages for CHAI and PATH (including a rough BOTEC) by the end of June.
Urgency. We see the urgency here as being specifically related to governments’ needs to adapt to frozen or cut US health assistance: we heard when investigating this grant that governments were already beginning this planning process and that lighter touch versions of the support offered by TSUs were already being provided on nights and weekends by CHAI staff in certain countries. We also think this kind of grant is inherently uncertain and it didn’t seem likely that we’d reduce that uncertainty by spending additional time investigating. So, with apparent demand for support at the time and since we didn't think waiting would lead to a better decision, we chose to recommend funding relatively quickly.
Hi Tony—This is Mark Walsh, a GiveWell researcher on the team responsible for pressure-testing GiveWell's research processes and conclusions. Thank you for this thoughtful write-up!
At a high level, I agree with the central thesis: we've underinvested in monitoring and evaluation, relative to other components of our analysis. Like you mentioned in your post, we've been working to fix that, and I wanted to share a little bit more on what we've done so far, what we're planning, and some other related gaps in our work.
We think this kind of external engagement with our research is valuable and makes our work better. We'd welcome feedback on the steps we've taken so far and where we should consider doing more.
What we’ve done
Over the past year, we've been working on what we call "M&E red teaming"—a systematic review of the monitoring and evaluation practices of our largest grantees, motivated by the same concerns Tony raises. We're planning to publish our findings soon but wanted to give a brief overview.
From June to December 2025, we dedicated teams of 3-4 research staff to work full-time for roughly 3 weeks each on six program areas: our four top charities plus water chlorination and malnutrition treatment. For each program, we evaluated many of the dimensions Tony highlights in his monitoring checklist: the independence of data collectors from program staff, the neutrality of the sampling frame, the objectivity and precision of measurement approach, data quality checks and backchecks, timeliness of data, triangulation with independent sources, and whether the program is taking timely action to address any issues raised by monitoring.
Since completing the red teaming, we've been doing the following to make improvements:
As Tony suggests, we think the right way to evaluate these investments is based on the value of the information we’ll gain and the impact we think it will have on our future grantmaking decisions. That means that we are more likely to fund expensive M&E in large grantmaking areas for GiveWell (or areas with a lot of room for more funding) and where we have more uncertainty so expect the M&E to affect our grantmaking a lot. For example, we’ve funded expensive independent coverage surveys of insecticide-treated nets and vaccinations programs because we direct a lot of funding to these programs. On the other hand, we are trying to take a rigorous but lighter-touch approach in cases where there is less funding at-stake, or where key uncertainties (e.g., whether an organization can establish partnerships or hire effectively) can be resolved more cheaply before investing in expensive M&E.
What’s next
Over the next several months, we're planning to finalize and roll out our coverage survey standards with grantees; analyze the results from the independent surveys, enhanced M&E, and population/costs work we've commissioned; and dig further on more of these areas (e.g., investigating better ways to monitor the impact of our grantees on disease morbidity and mortality).
I expect we'll learn a lot as we go about what's feasible and what information is actually most valuable. I'm sure our approach will change as we learn more about both the cost and potential impact of this information. That being said, I think we are on the right track.
A broader gap
I also want to flag that we think the issues Tony raises are part of a broader gap. It's not just that we need better quantitative monitoring—we also need to invest more in understanding what's actually happening on the ground with the programs we fund.
We've been trying to gather more "local insights" on our work. This involves site visits, qualitative research, conversations with local experts, and other ways of testing our desk-based assumptions against what’s happening on the ground. One example is funding the Busara Center for Behavioral Economics to observe vitamin A supplementation delivery in Nigeria and interview households, front-line staff, and government officials about the program.
We're still figuring out which approaches are most useful but think shifting more of our research effort "beyond the spreadsheet" in the ways Tony is describing is directionally right and something we’re making progress on. As I said at the start, we welcome feedback on our work so far—and on our future progress as it occurs.