Thank you for taking the time to read my thoughts and respond Barbara! All the more so with you being the CMO at TLYCS! 💗
Please do reach out to GWWC, in my opinion they should have evaluated TLYCS as an evaluator ages ago! Out of respect if nothing else! (Even if they ultimately decide to keep your charities out of their "top tier" recommendation fund combo... or any other such qualifiers based on how much they agree with your specific evaluation criteria!)
Felicia of GWWC told me the other day in email, in regards to on-boarding individual charities recommended by TLYCS, like Fistula Foundation: "we have historically considered a TLYCS recommendation to be an example of 'support by impact-focused evaluators' for the purposes of our 'other supported program' criteria, so it is possible they [Fistula Foundation] would be onboarded if they applied."
...so GWWC already do consider TLYCS backing, as a big plus for any individual charities they consider adding; but they have yet to check into you a little deeper to flat out simply input all your work into their database.
In the meantime, TLYCS will continue to be my personal go-to, for any and all work I do in spreading high impact charity ideas to others. Your set up kicks ass more than anyone else in the world! 💗
-- If GWWC inputs your work into their system (or looks into your work and explains why they will not do that), then GWWC may also become my personal go-to alongside you.
I think most people around here in New Jersey have heard the word "malaria" but don't know what it actually is, to the point where they can define it. Haven't you ever seen the show "Jersey Shore"? ;)
I agree that bednets is easier. Evokes way less questions.
Perhaps one positive though tiny step here, would be if these evaluators listed AMF first instead of MC. That's a great addition to the convo thank you Simon !!!
Thanks for taking the time to read and respond. Wow! Fascinating charts indeed! RP does so much interesting stuff.
The liking rate for most categories are quite similar, which surprises me in a good way.
It would be cool to see this exact breakdown with specific charity examples. I truly can't imagine that "chemoprevention for kids to prevent some of them from getting malaria" could rate anywhere near "cure people from blindness via cataract surgery". But you never know.
I like your point that many people are not really working out and thus really just need the minimum-ish amount of protein in that case.
I am no longer veg for 2 reasons, in case my 2 cents means anything (tho maybe they are more personal to me than prevalent):
+ Processed food concerns (my specific examples):
-- Daily pea protein intake makes my stomach hurt... not sure if this is definitely related to processing or something else but chicken doesn't do this to me. -- I have trouble getting enough protein from purely unprocessed vegan sources like organic tofu, and organic rice and beans, and peanut butter on wheat bread. I can only eat so much of these 3 things every single day, especially as I lift weights and don't want just the minimum amount of protein. Are there other good unprocessed vegan sources of protein? EAG events and other events don't give me that impression.... lots of pea protein fake meat, and sometimes full set ups with very little protein at all for an entire meal.
-- Products like Soylent that are not organic, have glyphosate, a known carcinogen, and possibly other chemicals. Soylent has readable levels of glyphosate in it, but some think it's too much while others think it's an okay amount. However I'd like to avoid carcinogens in any amount at least when it's easy to.
+ Missing nutrients:
-- Why do so few vegans eat omega-3s from algae oil? Omega-3's from flax etc need to be converted and it seems this doesn't make the cut in what's needed for many people, because it's not the straight up DHA and EPA that the body best uses. "The trouble is that people vary dramatically in their abilities to convert ALA to DHA and EPA. So the only way to ensure that your body receives sufficient amounts of these latter two nutrients is to supplement." Not getting straght up DHA and EPA, impairs long term brain function of at least some vegans. Vegans should supplement with very specifically, algae oil, such as what VivoLife and Dr. Fuhrman sell. (-- Some vegans don't even supplement b12 which is more known). -- I can only wonder if there are additional nutrients that will come to light as time goes on, that vegans seem to be unaware of or careless about in their highlighting of animal suffering.
Something I do like about EA is that while the main ideas that many hold do have value, as you say... there also are some people who find their own way in EA on whatever topic most interests them even if their ideas are NOT held closely by many. (For example, while I am really concerned about AI, 95% of my interest in EA is global poverty, and teaching others some EA basics alongside non-EA ideas... and I mostly just link up with people who have those specific interests.)
That said, EA would be way better off as a whole if more diversity was present, from the high-income country world and especially from the low-middle income country world.
That's a fair point except that I certainly did not say nor mean "the median beneficiary" should be within the conversation at EAG and EAG-type contexts. I said that orgs like GiveDirectly and Fistula Foundation could be contacted to see which outstanding people they are in contact with might be ideal to bring to EAGs.
The people I speak of, don't even necessarily need to be be beneficiaries at all. They should just be, as I said, "people who grew up and/or currently live/work in these places." They might indeed be beneficiaries who now also work with these orgs in some capacity, or maybe they are not beneficiaries at all. Such people who grow up in a place, generally have way better understanding, and even sometimes out of the box thinking, about problems and solutions, etc.
I have met a very few such people at EAGs, so they sometimes are there in numbers of like 1-3 per conference, they are fairly easy to find and I sometimes wonder if I'm the only one who seeks them out, and if I have met more of these people than anyone else, even though I don't go to too many conferences overall. Personally I really enjoy speaking to them and have learned a lot from them. (But the fact that I think not too many people seem to care to find them and talk with them, makes me wonder if they themselves would find it worth it to visit an EAG in the first place from their own perspective.)
[edit 2 min after posting: "if you choose exceptional beneficiaries to represent the class of beneficiaries as a whole, that leads to a different set of problems." - I'm not sure what you meant by this part. surely it seems better to me to have some representation than zero representation.]
Just ideas, thank you so much for commenting back with your thoughts !!
All makes sense Geoffery and glad it's not just me who thinks about these things, especially on the 80k advice.
I agree that this list that Julia presents is very impressive and way better than what a lot might do, in some contexts. Your point is well taken and your initial comment was good too, I maybe could have read the meaning a little better so maybe it was me that boxed it in.
Thanks so much, these threads I am posting on here, are I think the first time I am having productive back and forths on the forum so that's kinda cool :)
To the 2 people who marked "disagree", and anyone else, again I am looking for feedback on this, so please take a moment to explain why you disagree with this, if you dare :)
Thank you for taking the time to read my thoughts and respond Barbara! All the more so with you being the CMO at TLYCS! 💗
Please do reach out to GWWC, in my opinion they should have evaluated TLYCS as an evaluator ages ago! Out of respect if nothing else! (Even if they ultimately decide to keep your charities out of their "top tier" recommendation fund combo... or any other such qualifiers based on how much they agree with your specific evaluation criteria!)
Felicia of GWWC told me the other day in email, in regards to on-boarding individual charities recommended by TLYCS, like Fistula Foundation: "we have historically considered a TLYCS recommendation to be an example of 'support by impact-focused evaluators' for the purposes of our 'other supported program' criteria, so it is possible they [Fistula Foundation] would be onboarded if they applied."
...so GWWC already do consider TLYCS backing, as a big plus for any individual charities they consider adding; but they have yet to check into you a little deeper to flat out simply input all your work into their database.
In the meantime, TLYCS will continue to be my personal go-to, for any and all work I do in spreading high impact charity ideas to others. Your set up kicks ass more than anyone else in the world! 💗
-- If GWWC inputs your work into their system (or looks into your work and explains why they will not do that), then GWWC may also become my personal go-to alongside you.
Thanks again!
I think most people around here in New Jersey have heard the word "malaria" but don't know what it actually is, to the point where they can define it. Haven't you ever seen the show "Jersey Shore"? ;)
I agree that bednets is easier. Evokes way less questions.
Perhaps one positive though tiny step here, would be if these evaluators listed AMF first instead of MC. That's a great addition to the convo thank you Simon !!!
Thanks for taking the time to read and respond. Wow! Fascinating charts indeed! RP does so much interesting stuff.
The liking rate for most categories are quite similar, which surprises me in a good way.
It would be cool to see this exact breakdown with specific charity examples. I truly can't imagine that "chemoprevention for kids to prevent some of them from getting malaria" could rate anywhere near "cure people from blindness via cataract surgery". But you never know.
By the way Simon, thank you for taking the time to read and respond to my thoughts!!
These people you talked to outside of the EA community...
+ Did most of them go to Ivy Leagues?
+ Did they know what malaria was already?
+ How many people is this?
+ What percentage of them do you know for sure ended up donating to malaria charities?
Idk, no one I personally know has any idea what malaria is. Whereas they all know what cataracts are.
Personally, I have raised $62,000 for Fistula Foundation, almost exclusively from non-EAs, by talking to hundreds of people about them.
I think they are WAY easier to talk about to ordinary people.
You think chemoprevention for malaria is as easy to talk about to ordinary people, as cataract surgery?
I like your point that many people are not really working out and thus really just need the minimum-ish amount of protein in that case.
I am no longer veg for 2 reasons, in case my 2 cents means anything (tho maybe they are more personal to me than prevalent):
+ Processed food concerns (my specific examples):
-- Daily pea protein intake makes my stomach hurt... not sure if this is definitely related to processing or something else but chicken doesn't do this to me. -- I have trouble getting enough protein from purely unprocessed vegan sources like organic tofu, and organic rice and beans, and peanut butter on wheat bread. I can only eat so much of these 3 things every single day, especially as I lift weights and don't want just the minimum amount of protein. Are there other good unprocessed vegan sources of protein? EAG events and other events don't give me that impression.... lots of pea protein fake meat, and sometimes full set ups with very little protein at all for an entire meal.
-- Products like Soylent that are not organic, have glyphosate, a known carcinogen, and possibly other chemicals. Soylent has readable levels of glyphosate in it, but some think it's too much while others think it's an okay amount. However I'd like to avoid carcinogens in any amount at least when it's easy to.
+ Missing nutrients:
-- Why do so few vegans eat omega-3s from algae oil? Omega-3's from flax etc need to be converted and it seems this doesn't make the cut in what's needed for many people, because it's not the straight up DHA and EPA that the body best uses. "The trouble is that people vary dramatically in their abilities to convert ALA to DHA and EPA. So the only way to ensure that your body receives sufficient amounts of these latter two nutrients is to supplement." Not getting straght up DHA and EPA, impairs long term brain function of at least some vegans. Vegans should supplement with very specifically, algae oil, such as what VivoLife and Dr. Fuhrman sell. (-- Some vegans don't even supplement b12 which is more known). -- I can only wonder if there are additional nutrients that will come to light as time goes on, that vegans seem to be unaware of or careless about in their highlighting of animal suffering.
I was just arguing a few days ago on here that your very perspective is needed in EA: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/6FLvBaEwiiqf9JGEJ/history-of-diversity-efforts-and-trends-in-ea?commentId=Egczucx2c3uX4qEMo
Something I do like about EA is that while the main ideas that many hold do have value, as you say... there also are some people who find their own way in EA on whatever topic most interests them even if their ideas are NOT held closely by many. (For example, while I am really concerned about AI, 95% of my interest in EA is global poverty, and teaching others some EA basics alongside non-EA ideas... and I mostly just link up with people who have those specific interests.)
That said, EA would be way better off as a whole if more diversity was present, from the high-income country world and especially from the low-middle income country world.
Cheers and thanks for writing this !!!!
That's a fair point except that I certainly did not say nor mean "the median beneficiary" should be within the conversation at EAG and EAG-type contexts. I said that orgs like GiveDirectly and Fistula Foundation could be contacted to see which outstanding people they are in contact with might be ideal to bring to EAGs.
The people I speak of, don't even necessarily need to be be beneficiaries at all. They should just be, as I said, "people who grew up and/or currently live/work in these places." They might indeed be beneficiaries who now also work with these orgs in some capacity, or maybe they are not beneficiaries at all. Such people who grow up in a place, generally have way better understanding, and even sometimes out of the box thinking, about problems and solutions, etc.
I have met a very few such people at EAGs, so they sometimes are there in numbers of like 1-3 per conference, they are fairly easy to find and I sometimes wonder if I'm the only one who seeks them out, and if I have met more of these people than anyone else, even though I don't go to too many conferences overall. Personally I really enjoy speaking to them and have learned a lot from them. (But the fact that I think not too many people seem to care to find them and talk with them, makes me wonder if they themselves would find it worth it to visit an EAG in the first place from their own perspective.)
[edit 2 min after posting: "if you choose exceptional beneficiaries to represent the class of beneficiaries as a whole, that leads to a different set of problems." - I'm not sure what you meant by this part. surely it seems better to me to have some representation than zero representation.]
Just ideas, thank you so much for commenting back with your thoughts !!
All makes sense Geoffery and glad it's not just me who thinks about these things, especially on the 80k advice.
I agree that this list that Julia presents is very impressive and way better than what a lot might do, in some contexts. Your point is well taken and your initial comment was good too, I maybe could have read the meaning a little better so maybe it was me that boxed it in.
Thanks so much, these threads I am posting on here, are I think the first time I am having productive back and forths on the forum so that's kinda cool :)
To the 2 people who marked "disagree", and anyone else, again I am looking for feedback on this, so please take a moment to explain why you disagree with this, if you dare :)