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perhaps targetmalaria.org

Anyone here who is planning to donate £5000-10000 to registered UK charities before end of year?

If so, I would like to facilitate a donor swap to animal welfare charities:
- Asia Accountability Initiative
- Screwworm Free Future

(ie. I give to the UK registered charity you were planning on donating to, and you donate to my preferred charity instead).

For inspiration, both Givewell and Giving What We Can are UK tax deductible, so anyone making donations to those could in principle do a swap.

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Angelina Li
Nice, I remembered when you first posted on the Forum about this: very cool that the project is alive still! If it felt low cost to share, I feel curious about how it's going, but also no pressure :)

I disagree completely. The goal of a job ad should be to turn off candidates who are not a good fit so they don't bother applying, and turn on applicants who would be a good fit.

Their job ad being divisive is a good thing, if it is effective at filtering for the people they are looking for.

There was that RCT showing that creatine supplementation boosted the IQs of only vegetarians. 


My understanding is that the most rigorous RCT on creatine for cognitive performance found no difference between vegetarians and meat eaters and virtually no effect size in either case.

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Kat Woods 🔶 ⏸️
Ooh, thanks for tracking this down! It looks like creatine supplementation does mildly affect cognitive performance but it doesn't help vegetarians more than omnivores.  But isn't creatine really hard or impossible to get with a vegan diet? So presumably then it would be affecting their regular cognitive performances?  This study shows that supplementing causes a similar increase of cognitive abilities compared to omnivores, but it could be that they're starting from a worse spot than they would have been had they been omnivores?  It'll be hard to figure that out because vegetarians tend to have baseline higher IQs, from what I recall. But that is quite likely a selection effect. 
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(conflict of interest note, I'm pretty good friends with Apart's founder)

One thing I really like about Apart is how meritocratic it is. Anyone can sign up for a hackathon, and if your project is great, win a prize. They then help prize winners with turning their project into publishable research. This year two prize winners even ended up presenting their work orally at ICLR (!!).

Nobody cares what school you went to. Nobody is looking at your gender age or resume. What matters is the quality of your work and nothing but.

And it turns out that when you look j... (read more)

The EA movement is chock-full of people who are good at programming. What about open-sourcing the EA source code and outsourcing development of new features to volunteer members who want to contribute?

I was thinking of Disagreeing.

On one hand, I'm very supportive of more people doing open-source development on things like this.

On the other, I think some people might think, "It's open-source, and our community has tech people around. Therefore, people could probably do the maintenance work for free."

From experience, it's incredibly difficult to actually get useful open-source contributors, especially for long-term maintenance of apps that aren't extraordinarily interesting and popular. So it can be a nice thing to encourage, but a tiny part of the big-picture strategic planning. 

Not sure what the disagree votes are about, but I agree that it would be nice to have more open source contributors! 😊 The Forum codebase is already open source and we do occasionally get contributions. We also have a (disorganized) list of issues that people can work on. IMO it's not the easiest codebase to dive into, and we don't have much capacity to assist people in getting set up, but now that LLM tools are much better I could imagine it being not too onerous to contribute.

If anyone wants to help, I'm happy to suggest issues for you! 🙂 Feel free to ... (read more)

This post makes me feel very positive about GWWC and its future! It's hard to overrate the value of focus. One thing I would love to learn is what you are doubling down on as a result.

No idea, it's probably worth reaching out to ask them and alert them in case they aren't already mindful of it! I personally am not the least bit interested in this concern, so I will not take any action to address it.

I am not saying this to be a dick (I hope), but because I don't want to give you a mistaken impression that we are currently making any effort to address this consideration at Screwworm Free Future.

I think people are far too happy to give an answer like: "Thanks for highlighting this concern, we are very mindful of this throughout our work" w... (read more)

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Vasco Grilo🔸
Thanks for the comment, Mathias! I strongly upvoted it. I love the transparency. I emailed Mal Graham, WAI's strategy director, right after my comment.

I do a lot of writing at my job, and find myself using AI more and more for drafting. I find it especially helpful when I am stuck.

Like any human assigned with a writing task, Claude cannot magically guess what you want. I find that when I see other people get lackluster writing results with AI, it's very often due to providing almost no context for the AI to work with.

When asking for help with a draft, I will often write out a few paragraphs of thoughts on the draft. For example, if I were brainstorming ideas for a title, I might write out a prompt like:
&... (read more)

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Davidmanheim
Strong agree about context. As a shortcut / being somewhat lazy, I usually give it an introduction I wrote, or a full pitch, then ask it to find relevant literature and sources, and outline possible arguments, before asking it to do something more specific. I then usually like starting a new session with just the correct parts, so that it's not chasing the incorrect directions it suggested earlier - sometimes with explicit text explaining why obvious related / previously suggested arguments are wrong or unrelated.

Really incredible job, really exciting to see so many great projects come out of Catalyze. Hopefully people will consider funding not just the projects, but also consider the new incubator which created them!

On a side note, I am especially excited about TamperSec and see their work as the most important technical contribution that can be made to AI governance currently.

Don't put all of your savings into shady cryptocurrencies. If it sounds good to be true, it is because it probably is.

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Anthony Kalulu, a rural farmer in eastern Uganda.
Okay Mathias.
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NickLaing
Mathias can you make comments on all of my posts? Hahaha

Why on earth are people downvoting this post?

Figuring out how to respond to the USAID freeze (and then doing it) is probably the most important question in global health and development right now. That there has been virtually no discussion on the forum so far has frankly been quite shocking to me.

Have a fat upvote, wishing you the best of luck

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Chris Leong
I have neither upvoted nor downvoted this post. I suspect that the downvoting is because the post assumes this is a good donation target rather than making the argument for it (even a paragraph or two would likely make a difference). Some folks may feel that it's bad for the community for posts like this to be at +100, even if they agree with the concrete message, as it undermines the norm of EA forum posts containing high-quality reasoning, as opposed to other appeals.
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Davidmanheim
Do you have any reason to think, or evidence, that the claimed downvoting occurred?
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NickLaing
Unfortunately there's just not so much of a global health vibe here at the moment, things seem to have swung heavily towards animal welfare and AI. I made a few comments on various threads about the USAID freeze but got very little engagement so gave up.

More dakka is to pour more firepower onto a problem. Two examples:

 

Example: "bright lights don't help my seasonal depression". More dakka: "have you tried even brighter lights?"

Example: we brainstormed ten ideas, none of them seem good. More dakka: "Try listing a 100 ideas"

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Arthur Malone🔸
I think the examples you give are actually contrary to the useful message of "more dakka."  Yours suggest "if something doesn't work, try more of it," which in general is poor advice. Sometimes it's true that you need more of something before you hit a threshold that generates results. But most of the time, negative results are informative and should guide you to change your approach. More dakka is about when something does work, but doesn't solve the problem entirely, or is easy to drop off rather than continue. It's a useful concept trying to correct for an observed tendency to ignore only-somewhat-positive results. Example: "bright lights seemed to help a bit, but my seasonal depression is still lingering." More dakka: "have you tried even brighter lights?" Example: "we brainstormed ten ideas and got some that seemed workable, but they still have issues." More dakka: "Try listing a 100 ideas before committing to a so-so one from the first ten." @Joseph "dakka" is just an onomatopoeic term for the sound of a machine gun ("dakka dakka dakka"), and the phrase comes from the TV tropes entry. The fanciful names there are useful for fun, reference-based humor (and I use them a lot in my persona life!), but I do think porting them over to EA-jargon is probably net negative for clarity/professionalism.

Thank you for pursuing this line of argument, I think the question of legal rights for AI is a really important one. One thought i've had reading your previous posts about this, is whether it legal rights will matter not only for securing the welfare of AI but also for safeguarding humanity.

I haven't really thought this fully through, but here's my line of thinking:

As we are currently on track to create superintelligence and I don't think we can say anything with much confidence about whether the AI we create will value the same things as us, it might be i... (read more)

I have pushed the idea on the CE research team to the point I’m sure they’re sick of hearing me rant about it!

To my knowledge it’s on their list of ideas to research for their next round of animal welfare charities

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David_R 🔸
I'm very happy to hear you helped put this on CE's priority list!

Merry Christmas and happy holidays :)

I haven't looked into this at all, but the effect of eradication efforts (whether through gene drive or the traditional sterile insect technique) is that screwworm stop reproducing and cease to exist, not that they die anguishing deaths.

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Vasco Grilo🔸
Thanks, Mathias. Just to clarify, my "decrease in welfare" was referring to screwworms with positive lives ceasing to exist, not to their deaths.

I'm in San Francisco this weekend and next week, if you're in the bay area want to meet, don't hesitate to reach out :) (both happy to meet 1-1 and at social events)

Absolutely do so! In the eyes of the vast majority of employers, organizing a university group centered around charity shows character and energy, highly positive qualities in an employee.

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James Herbert
I agree completely! However, I feel obliged to point out that some EAs I know intentionally play down their EA associations because they think it will harm their careers. Often, these people are thinking of working in government.   I weakly think this is a mistake for two reasons. Firstly, as Mathias said, because EA appears to be generally seen as a positive thing (similar to climate change action, according to this study). Secondly, I think Ord is right when he says we could do with more earnestness and sincerity in EA.  Alix, ex-co-director at EA Switzerland, wrote up some interesting thoughts on this general subject here.  

How big a deal is the congressional commission? What is the historical track record of Congress implementing the commission's top recommendation?

 

With hindsight, this comment from Jan Kulveit looks prescient.

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David Mathers🔸
My gut instinct, given how Trump seems to view the world (i.e. in terms of personal loyalty to him) is that Ivanaka Trump re-tweeting Situational Awareness may actually have been a more significant moment. 

I decided to drown a puppy in a local pond. Hopefully, doing so would toughen its character, rather than allowing it to succumb to modern frailty.

 

Laughed out loud for a good minute after reading this!

I strongly upvoted this post because I'm extremely interested in seeing it get more attention and, hopefully, a potential rebuttal. I think this is extremely important to get to the bottom of!

At first glance your critiques seem pretty damning, but I would have to put a bunch of time into understanding ACE's evaluations first before I would be able to conclude whether I agree your critiques (I can spend a weekend day doing this and writing up my own thoughts in a new post if there is interest).

My expectation is that if I were to do this I would come out fee... (read more)

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VettedCauses
Hi Mathias, Thank you for your comment! We would definitely be interested in hearing your thoughts. We've set post notifications on for your profile, and look forward to seeing your post!
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JP Addison🔸
Ah, um, confusingly the default for personal is "Hidden", and what you've done is effectively changed your settings for Personal Blogs to "Neutral."

This is what my frontpage looks like

 

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JP Addison🔸
You probably have customized your feed to show personal blogposts. The default feed has them hidden.
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Matthew Rendall
Thanks -- that's odd. The 'elephant' post isn't showing up on mine.
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Joel Tan🔸
I don't see any strong theoretical reason to do so, but I might be wrong. In a way it doesn't matter, because you can always rejig your weights to penalize/boost one estimate over another.

Two ideas off the top of my head

  • Distribution of charitable goods (such as insecticide nets or cash-transfers) and its effect on economic growth of the region/country
  • Proportion of people identifying as flexitarian/vegetarian/vegan and the effects on sales of plant-based products.

EDIT: Someone on lesswrong linked a great report by Epoch which tries to answer exactly this.

With the release of openAI o1, I want to ask a question I've been wondering about for a few months.

Like the chinchilla paper, which estimated the optimal ratio of data to compute, are there any similar estimates for the optimal ratio of compute to spend on inference vs training?

In the release they show this chart:

The chart somewhat gets at what I want to know, but doesn't answer it completely. How much additional inference compute would I need a 1e25 o1-like model ... (read more)

Thanks for all of the hard work you put into developing and maintaining it! 

Thanks, this was quite informative. Would love to read the full report, but $1000 is a bit steep!

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Daniel Hnyk
Hey! Just in case you missed that, there is info at the top of the post on who to contact to get it for free (dan at futuresearch dot ai)!

https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/34pz6ni3muwPnenLS/why-so-many-racists-at-manifest

Without having read the letter yet, why do you find it questionable?

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Karthik Tadepalli
Twitter thread on the letter says more - essentially the post-crisis liability that Anthropic proposes is basically equivalent to bankruptcy of the conpany, which is a pretty mild consequence given the risks at hand. Also, an AI regulatory agency is probably going to be necessary at some point in the future, so it's better to set it up now and give it time to mature.
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Joseph Miller
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/s58hDHX2GkFDbpGKD/linch-s-shortform?commentId=RfJsudqwEMwTR5S5q TL;DR Anthropic are pushing for two key changes * not to be accountable for "pre-harm" enforcement of AI Safety standards (ie. wait for a catastrophe before enforcing any liability). * "if a catastrophic event does occur ... the quality of the company’s SSP should be a factor in determining whether the developer exercised 'reasonable care.'". (ie. if your safety protocols look good, you can be let off the hook for the consequences of catastrophe). Also significantly weakening whistleblower protections.
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Karthik Tadepalli
I've read the letter and have the same question

Good question, not sure how I get it into my email actually, I can't find it on the website either

edit: I think it's through the forecasting newsletter

I can highly recommend following Sentinel's weekly minutes, a weekly update from superforecasters on the likelihood of any events which plausibly could cause worldwide catastrophe.

Perhaps the weekly newsletter I look the most forward to at this point. Read previous issues here: 

https://sentinel-team.org/blog/

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EffectiveAdvocate🔸
They seem really good! I feel like an idiot for asking this, but where on their website can I subscribe to the newsletter? 

Jeff, your notes on NAO are fascinating to read! I have nothing to add other than that I hope you keep posting them

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Jeff Kaufman 🔸
Thanks!

Hi Ian,

Thanks for the question! I've been meaning to write down my thoughts on this for a while, so here is a longer perspective:

 

In 2015 USAID teamed up with Givewell to cash-benchmark one of its programs. The evidence came back showing that cash-transfers outperformed the program on every metric. What gets brought up less often is that the programme got its funding renewed shortly after anyways! The cash-benchmark alone was not sufficient, you also need some policy to require programs worse than cash should be wound down.

This is a sentiment I'm full... (read more)

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NickLaing
This is a little horrifying to hear put this starkly, but makes perfect sense. BTW I have no problem at all believing that music festivals are funded, GIZ for example fund all kinds of strange "events" here in Uganda without much of a theory of change. 

As a side note, one thing I find amusing is just how much it sucks to announce your org's shut down after Maternal Health Initiative set the bar so ridiculously high.

Even at shutting down they have us beat!

Unfortunately, your shutdown announcement didn't meet our bar. However, it was in the top 5% of rejected shutdowns, and we strongly encourage you to announce a shutdown in the next iteration.

Any ideas for what we can do to improve it?

The whole manifund debacle has left me quite demotivated. It really sucks that people are more interested debating contentious community drama, than seemingly anything else this forum has to offer.

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Matt Brooks
What's the "whole manifund debacle"? People complaining about Curtis Yarvin or something?
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Ryan Greenblatt
I think there signal vs noise tradeoffs, so I'm naively tempted to retreat toward more exclusivity. This poses costs of its own, so maybe I'd be in favor of differentiation (some more and some less exclusive version). Low confidence in this being good overall.
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NickLaing
Thanks for the reminder, definitely got sucked in too much myself.... Will get back to commenting more on GHD posts and write another of my own soon!

Why are seitan products so expensive?

I strongly believe in the price, taste, convenience hypothesis. If/when non-animal foods are cheaper and tastier, I expect the west to undergo a moral cascade where factory farming in a very short timespan will go from being common place to illegal. I know that in the animal welfare space, this view point is often considered naive, but I remain convinced its true.

My mother buys the expensive vegan mayonnaise because it's much tastier than the regular mayonnaise. I still eat dairy and eggs because the vegan alternatives ... (read more)

Some helpful thoughts on this are here.

I think that the evidence price-taste-convenience hypothesis is unfortunately fairly weak given available evidence, for what it is worth. This analysis and this analysis are, I think, the best write ups on this.

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Devon Fritz 🔸
My hot take is that vegan alternatives generally just don't get to scale where the marginal unit cost is low.
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MichaelDickens
At least part of the explanation is that vegan meat products spend a lot on R&D to make it taste good. Maybe another part is that home-made seitan is hard to do well (if you mess it up, it comes out really spongy and hard to eat), which drives up the willingness to pay for well-made store-bought seitan. I don't know if that's a sufficient explanation, though.

Does anyone know if there been any research into creating engaging television for factory farmed animals? Google scholar didn't get much outside of using TV to induce feeding in chickens. I know there have been evaluations of branched chains as a way to improve the conditions for pigs, but I haven't seen any evaluation of television.

There's 24/7 television made for house cats, why couldn't something similar exist for chickens?

I'm not going to find time to look into this myself, so if somebody finds the idea intriguing, don't hesitate with starting!

at giveffektivt.dk we cover transaction costs of donating. Similar to donation matching, it's likely the money we spend on transactions would be donated anyways.

I think it's fine to do this, but i'm unsure where the line should be drawn. We find that many people who donate worry far too much about transaction and overhead costs. By alleviating one of those we make it much more attractive to donate (though I don't think we've A/B tested this actually).

But following this logic should we say that "5 dollars could save a life" if we thought this would increase... (read more)

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Pat Myron 🔸
There's balance where it's also possible to worry too little about transaction costs. 2.9% + 30¢ are common transaction processing costs for American credit cards. Encouraging debit card usage and less frequently billed subscriptions eliminate most transaction costs while avoiding the friction of switching from card processing to back account withdrawals. Annual credit card billing saves over $15/yr over weekly credit card billing Debit card billing saves on the fixed fee, percentage, and chargeback costs

Thanks for carrying out this analysis! Do you have a spreadsheet with the calculations? Personally, I find it's much easier for me to understand the calculations and assumptions in that format. Being able to make a copy and play around with the input values to see which inputs drive the end line result is also super helpful.

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Vasco Grilo🔸
Thanks, Mathias! I did not, but I have just created one since you asked. I arrived to the same results (I could have arrived to different ones if I had had errors in the manual calculations). I have not included the sources of the inputs, but you can check them in the post.

Gene drives remove the need to continuously rear and drop screwworms. Counting insect welfare I would wager advocacy for using gene drives looks better not worse.

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David Mathers🔸
Oh, yeah, silly of me. Assuming being a screwworm is bad for the screwworm I guess that must be right. Also, I guess I find "but what if the screwworms actually enjoy being screwworms" pretty absurd as an objection to getting rid of them, even if I can't articulate a fully convincing case for why from first principles. 

Thanks, I'm looking forward to that post!

I'll be honest, to me the numbers sound too good to be true, so I'm curious to understand the assumptions that go into those numbers and whether I agree with them.

If the numbers really are that good that's quite exciting!

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Meghan Blake
Thanks so much, we will share more soon!

https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/topics/corporate-animal-welfare-campaigns

According to research by the Welfare Footprint Project, both of these asks substantially decrease hours in pain experienced by farmed chickens,[2][3] decreasing chicken suffering by an estimated 30%–60%.[4][5]

According to estimates by Šimčikas,[6] corporate campaigns between 2015 and the end of 2018 will improve the welfare of 9 to 120 years of chicken life per dollar spent.

Is there a cost-effectiveness analysis available where I can read how you arrived at these numbers?

  • Cost per client served: $4.7
  • Cost per unintended pregnancies averted: $3.60
  • Cost per maternal death averted: $685
  • Cost per DALY: $1.63
  • Cost per CYP: $2.31
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Karthik Tadepalli
This note says: I suppose the other numbers are extrapolations from this figure, though it's hard to say.
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