I am a generalist quantitative researcher. I am open to volunteering and paid work. I welcome suggestions for posts. You can give me feedback here (anonymously or not).
I am open to volunteering and paid work (I usually ask for 20 $/h). I welcome suggestions for posts. You can give me feedback here (anonymously or not).
I can help with career advice, prioritisation, and quantitative analyses.
There is currently not any intervention which robustly increases welfare in expectation due to potentially dominant uncertain effects on soil animals and microorganisms. More research on how to compare welfare across species is needed to figure out whether these matter.
I see. I guess the probability over the next 10 years of something like what I described is lower than 0.001 %. I remain open to bets against short AI timelines, or what they supposedly imply, up to 10 k$. Do you see any that we could make that is good for both of us considering we could invest our money, and that you could take loans?
I agree the absolute value of the total welfare of wild invertebrates may well be much larger than that of wild vertebrates. For exponents from 0.5 to 1.5, I get an absolute value of the total welfare of soil ants, termites, springtails, mites, and nematodes ranging from 0.459 (= 0.0189/0.0412) to 2.60 k (= 977*10^3/376) times that of wild birds, mammals, and finfishes. However, my point was that the total welfare of humans may easily be much larger than the absolute value of the total welfare of wild animals including vertebrates and invertebrates.
I think the focus should be on cost-effectiveness, and the absolute value of the total welfare. These will be lower than suggested by animals killed because a higher number of these tends to be associated with animals with fewer neurons and welfare proxies. For exponents from 0.5 to 1.5, and only accounting for effects on target beneficiaries, I estimate the cost-effectiveness of the Shrimp Welfare Project's (SWP's) Humane Slaughter Initiative (HSI) has been 0.0114 (= 2.06*10^-5/0.00180) to 29.4 (= 20.6/0.701) times that of cage-free corporate campaigns (the graph below has my results for more interventions and exponents). So I do not know whether the interventions which most cost-effectively increase the welfare of wild shrimps are more or less cost-effective than the ones which most cost-effectively increase the welfare of chickens
Accounting for effects on soil animals and microorganisms, I have very little idea about whether any intervention, including SWP's HSI which gets more farmed shrimps to be electrically stunned, increases or decreases welfare (in expectation).
Thanks for doing this, Myles! I strongly upvoted your post.
I do not know whether improving the conditions of farmed animals, and mitigating global warming, habitat destruction, and plastic waste increase or decrease welfare due to potentially dominant uncertain effects on soil animals and microorganisms. However, I still think offseting the effects of personal consumption by funding the most cost-effective interventions is a good norm to spread.
Hi Michael. Are you assuming the deployment of ASI will be analogous to an omnipotent civilisation with values completely disconnected from humans suddenly showing up on Earth? I agree human extinction would be a real possibility in this case. However, that would be very much at odds with historical gradual technological development shaped by human values.
That makes sense, Abraham. Here are some graphs I made illustrating that wild animals are neglected compared with farmed animals.
On the other hand, I think people advocating for a greater focus on helping wild animals, including myself in the past, often overestimate the robustness of their best guess that the absolute value of the total welfare of wild animals is much larger than that of humans. For individual welfare per fully-healthy-animal-year proportional to "number of neurons"^"exponent", and exponents from 0.5 to 1.5, I got an absolute value of the total welfare of:
For an exponent of 1.5, the absolute value of the total welfare of each of the above 2 groups of wild animals is much smaller than that of humans.
Thanks for sharing, Peter! Have you considered making the doc available for reading even if people do not make a copy? I wonder whether a few people would only check it this way, even though a copy can easily be deleted.
Here are some links shared in the doc which many may find useful regardless of whether they do quarterly reviews, although you note "the point is to do a review and plan!".