I recently spent some time reflecting on my career and my life, for a few reasons:
- It was my 29th birthday, an occasion which felt like a particularly natural time to think through what I wanted to accomplish over the course of the next year đ.
- It seems like AI progress is heating up.
- It felt like a good time to reflect on how Redwood has been going, because weâve been having conversations with funders about getting more funding.
I wanted to have a better answer to these questions:
- Whatâs the default trajectory that I should plan for my career to follow? And what does this imply for what I should be doing right now?
- How much urgency should I feel in my life?
- How hard should I work?
- How much should I be trying to do the most valuable-seeming thing, vs engaging in more playful exploration and learning?
In summary:
- For the purposes of planning my life, I'm going to act as if there are four years before AGI development progresses enough that I should substantially change what I'm doing with my time, and then there are three years after that before AI has transformed the world unrecognizably.
- I'm going to treat this phase of my career with the urgency of a college freshman looking at their undergrad degree--every month is 2% of their degree, which is a nontrivial fraction, but they should also feel like they have a substantial amount of space to grow and explore.
The AI midgame
I want to split the AI timeline into the following categories.
- The early game, during which interest in AI is not mainstream. I think this ended within the last year đ˘
- The midgame, during which interest in AI is mainstream but before AGI is imminent. During the midgame:
- The AI companies are building AIs that they donât expect will be transformative.
- The alignment work we do is largely practice for alignment work later, rather than an attempt to build AIs that we can get useful cognitive labor from without them staging coups.
- For the purpose of planning my life, Iâm going to imagine this as lasting four more years. This is shorter than my median estimate of how long this phase will actually last.
- The endgame, during which AI companies conceive of themselves as actively building models that will imminently be transformative, and that pose existential takeover risk.
- During the endgame, I think that we shouldnât count on having time to develop fundamentally new alignment insights or techniques (except maybe if AIs do most of the work? Idt we should count on this); we should be planning to mostly just execute on alignment techniques that involve ingredients that seem immediately applicable.
- For the purpose of planning my life, Iâm going to imagine this as lasting three years. This is about as long as I expect this phase to actually take.
I think this division matters because several aspects of my current work seem like theyâre optimized for midgame, and I should plausibly do something very differently in the endgame. Features of my current life that should plausibly change in the endgame:
- I'm doing blue-sky alignment research into novel alignment techniquesâduring the endgame, it might be too late to do this.
- I'm working at an independent alignment org and not interacting with labs that much. During the endgame, I probably either want to be working at a lab or doing something else that involves interacting with labs a lot. (I feel pretty uncertain about whether Redwood should dissolve during the AI endgame.)
- I spend a lot of my time constructing alignment cases that I think analogous to difficulties that we expect to face later. During the endgame, you probably have access to the strategy âobserve/construct alignment cases that are obviously scary in the models you haveâ, which seems like it partially obseletes this workflow.
- Doing research that is practice rather than an actual attempt at aligning models or safely extracting cognitive labor from them. Some of the work I expect to want takeover-concerned people do during the endgame is probably very practical/empirical. But I expect us to also want to do some difficult-to-empirically-ground work to answer questions like âHow could this particular model be scarily misaligned? How might our alignment strategy have failed such that this particular model will try to kill us?â
One core question here is: How is my impact distributed between work I do in the midgame vs the endgame? (As in, how much of my career value do I expect to lose if I suddenly die at the end of the midgame?)
- Midgame impact:
- The main mechanism here is that I think I (as part of Redwood) have a shot at developing alignment techniques (or other knowledge) that make a serious difference to the alignment plan, that can then be adopted by AI labs with no further actions from me/Redwood.
- Secondarily, I think we have a shot at developing an alignment research methodology and/or organizational structure that allows Redwood and maybe the broader alignment community to do much more good work during the midgame.
- Other midgame impacts I can have:
- helping other people to gain skills such that they have a really big impact in the endgame.
- setting up an organization which lasts into the endgame and is really productive at doing something crucial.
- Endgame impact:
- I have been assuming that most of my impact was in the midgame, but after thinking about it more over the last few weeks Iâm now less sold on that.
- Mechanisms by which Redwood-style backchained alignment researchers might have a lot of impact in the endgame:
- Being an expert on some particular thing which is extremely useful when trying to align AIs or safely extract cognitive labor from them. When Iâm thinking about this, Iâm mostly trying to imagine the head of the alignment department at an AI lab being ecstatically delighted to be able to hire me, and saying âI am so glad we are able to work with Buck; itâs so incredibly convenient that he has been obsessively focused on this topic for the last four years and heâs already understood a bunch of the ins and outs; if it wasnât for him weâd be yoloing stuff way more.â
- This could be a class of techniques, e.g. interpretability or MAD.
- This could be a certain aspect of the alignment situation, from a more technique-agnostic perspective. For example, it seems pretty plausible to me that when weâre using AI to make lots of autonomous decisions, weâll have some limited budget to oversee these decisions such that we can afford to oversee like 0.1% of them, and weâd really like to be smart about which 0.1% to review so that we maximize the probability of catching bad actions. There are lots of different approaches you might use here; e.g. you probably want to try some kind of anomaly detection, and you probably also want to concentrate oversight on examples where the AI action was higher stakes. If I/some Redwood people obsessively focused on the version of this problem that we expect to happen with TAI, I can imagine us being incredible hires due to having so much relevant experience and cached thinking.
- As another example, if I decided to just focus on anti-adversarial training, itâs easy to imagine being way more familiar with that problem than anyone at an AI lab.
- Having a bunch of practice at thinking about AI alignment in principle, which might be really useful for answering difficult-to-empirically-resolve questions about the AIs being trained.
- Being well-prepared to use AI cognitive labor to do something useful, by knowing a lot about some research topic that we end up wanting to put lots of AI labor into. Maybe you could call this âpreparing to be a research lead for a research group made up of AIsâ. Or âpreparing to be good at consuming AI research laborâ.
Pacing: a freshman year
I think I want to treat my next year with the pacing of a freshman year in a US undergrad degree, for someone who wants to go into startups and thinks thereâs some chance that theyâll want to graduate college early. I think that people going into their freshman year should be thinking a little bit about what they want to do after college. They should understand things that they need to do during college in order to be set up well for their post-college activities (e.g. they probably want to do some research as an undergrad, and they probably need to eventually learn various math). But meeting those requirements probably isnât going to be where most of their attention goes.
Similarly, I think that I should be thinking a bit about my AI endgame plans, and make sure that Iâm not failing to do fairly cheap things that will set me up for a much better position in the endgame. But I should mostly be focusing on succeeding during the midgame (at some combination of doing valuable research and at becoming an expert in topics that will be extremely valuable during the endgame).
When youâre a freshman, you probably shouldnât feel like youâre sprinting all the time. You should probably believe that skilling up can pay off over the course of your degree. Every month is about 2% of your degree.
I think that this is how I want to feel. In a certain sense, four years is a really long time. I spent a reasonable amount of the last year feeling kind of exhausted and wrecked and rushed, and my guess is that this was net bad for my productivity. I think I should feel like there is real urgency, but also real amounts of space to learn and grow and play.
I went back and forth a lot on how I wanted to set up this metaphor; in particular, I was pretty tempted to suggest that I should think of this as a sophomore year rather than a freshman year. I think that freshmen should usually mostly ignore questions about career planning, whereas I think I should e.g. spend at least some time talking to labs about the possibility of them working with me/Redwood in various ways. I ended up choosing freshman rather than sophomore because I think that 3 years is less reasonable than 4.
And so, my plan is something like:
- Put a bit of work into setting up my AI endgame plans.
- E.g. talk to some people who are at labs and make sure they donât think that my vague aspirations here are insane. Iâm interested in more suggestions along these lines.
- I think that if I feel more like Iâve deliberated once about this, Iâll find it easier to pursue my short-term plans wholeheartedly.
- Mostly (like with 70% of my effort), push hard on succeeding at my midgame plans.
- Spend about 20% of my effort on learning things that donât have immediate benefits.
- For example, Iâve spent some time over the last few weeks learning about generative modeling, and I plan to continue studying this. I have a few motivations here:
- Firstly, I think itâs pretty healthy for me to know more about how ML progress tends to happen, and I feel much more excited about this subfield of ML than most subfields of ML. I feel intuitively really impressed and admiring of the researchers in this field, and it seems healthy for me to have a research field with researchers who I look up to and who I wholeheartedly believe I can learn a lot from.
- Secondly, I have a crazy take that the kind of reasoning that is done in generative modeling has a bunch of things in common with the kind of reasoning that is valuable when developing algorithms for AI alignment.
Thank you for this post. I work in animal advocacy rather than AI, but I've been thinking about some similar effects of transformative AI on animal advocacy.
I've been shocked by the progress of AI, so I've been thinking it might be necessary to update how we think about the world in animal advocacy. Specifically, I've been thinking roughly along the lines of "There's a decent chance that the world will be unrecognisable in ~15-20 years or whatever, so we should probably be less confident in our ability to reliably impact the future via policies, so interventions that require ~15-20 years to pay off (e.g. cage-free campaigns, many legislative campaigns) may end up having 0 impact." This is still a hypothesis, and I might make a separate forum post about it.
It struck me that this is very similar to some of the points you make in this post.
In your post, you've said you're planning to act as though there are 4 years of the "AI midgame" and 3 years of the "AI endgame". If I translated this into animal advocacy terms, this could be equivalent to something like "we have ~7 years to deliver (that is, realise) as much good as we can for animals". (The actual number of years isn't so important, this is just for illustration.)
Would you agree with this? Or would you have some different recommendation for animal advocacy people who share your views about AI having the potential to pop off pretty soon?
(Some context as to my background views: I think preventing suffering is more important than generating happiness; I think the moral values of animals is comparable to humans, e.g. within 0-2 orders of magnitude depending on species; I don't think creating lives is morally good; I think human extinction is bad because it could directly cause suffering and death, but not so much because of its effects on loss of potential humans who do not yet exist; I think S-risks are very very bad; I'm skeptical that humans will go extinct in the near future; I think society is very fragile and could be changed unrecognisably very easily; I'm concerned more about misuse of AI than any deliberate actions/goals of an AI itself; I have a great deal of experience in animal advocacy and zero experience in anything AI-related. The person reading this certainly doesn't need to agree with any of these views, but I wanted to highlight my background views so that it's clear why I believe both "AI might pop off really soon" and "I still think helping animals is the best thing I can do", even if that latter belief isn't common among the AI community.)
I'm not Buck, but I can venture some thoughts as somebody who thinks it's reasonably likely we don't have much time.Â
Given that "I'm skeptical that humans will go extinct in the near future" and that you prioritize preventing suffering over creating happiness, it seems reasonable for you to condition your plan on humanity surviving the creation of AGI. You might then back-chain from possible futures you want to steer toward or away from. For instance, if AGI enables space colonization, it sure would be terrible if we just had planets covered in factory farms. What is the path by which we would get there, and how can you change it so that we have e.g., cultured meat production planets instead. I think this is probably pretty hard to do; the term "singularity" has been used partially to describe that we cannot predict what would happen after it. That said, the stakes are pretty astronomical such that I think it would be pretty reasonable for >20% of animal advocacy effort to be specifically aimed at preventing AGI-enabled futures with mass animal suffering. This is almost the opposite of "we have ~7 years to deliver (that is, realise) as much good as we can for animals." Instead it might be better to have an attitude like "what happens after 7 years is going to be a huge deal in some direction, let's shape it to prevent animal suffering."
I don't know what kind of actions would be recommended by this thinking. To venture a guess: trying to accelerate meat alternatives, doing lots of polling around public opinions on moral questions around eating meat (with the goal of hopefully finding that humans think factory farming is wrong so a friendly AI system might adopt such a goal as well; human behavior in this regard seems like a particularly bad basis on which to train AIs). Pretty uncertain about these two idea and I wouldn't be surprised if they're actually quite bad.Â
Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to construct this convincing and high-quality comment. I'll reflect on this in detail.
I did do some initial scoping work for longtermist animal stuff last year, of which AGI-enabled mass suffering was a major part of course, so might be time to dust that off.