In the EA context, I often experience difficulties in discussions about emotionally loaded topics. The following examples are real situations I have been in or been told about, in some cases modified for understandability.
Example 1 - Gender Interest Differences:
There is a discussion in the EA local group about gender interest differences. Bob quotes Scott Alexander making the point that "women tend to be interested in people-ish topics" and "men tend to be interested in system-ish topics". Being a woman in tech and very interested in "systems", Alice gets a little afraid that the others might not see her as a "true woman". She is irritated at herself because this is silly, but she still feels a bit angry and compelled to argue against this "system vs people" distinction.
Example 2 - Privacy:
Bob wants to switch to a communication channel that is encrypted and open source, because he wants to discuss a privacy-sensitive topic, e.g. medical conditions with Alice. Alice thinks that is unnecessary, and Bob doesn't feel like having a discussion with Alice, because the topic feels really uncomfortable to him.
Example 3 - Pronouns:
Bob uses "he/him" pronouns, when referring to a person of unspecified gender. Being the only woman in the group, Alice feels somewhat excluded. When she says she would prefer that he use the "they/them"-equivalent of German, he responds with some thoughtful arguments about why he thinks this is not worth the inconvenience (the inconvenience is higher in the German language than in English.) The two of them start a discussion, but Alice feels really uncomfortable discussing the topic. She wishes Bob could just take her "It makes me feel more comfortable" as being reason enough.
Example 4 - Caring about Animals :
There is a discussion in the EA local group about veganism. Alice makes the point, that being vegan is likely of net-negative impact, because refraining from eating meat has a negligible impact compared to a donation to ACE's top charities, and because of moral licensing being vegan makes you donate less in expectation.
Bob loves animals and has been vegan for many years. He notices that he gets angry that Alice argues that way, even if he can't pinpoint, why he thinks she is wrong. He wishes that Alice would just go with "These were animals once. With experiences. So eating meat is obviously wrong".
What do you do in such situations?
It's not like Alice or Bob actually believe in an epistemic sense that some line of the other's argument is wrong. Rather, the other's argument makes them feel uncomfortable, because it is in some way related to something personal.
So, I'm wondering
- Have you run into this issue? What are topics that were sensitive for you or someone you know?
- How can I have a good discussion, even when I am emotionally upset by a topic? Should I even try to have this discussion, or is it better for everyone if I just avoid these topics?
- How should I behave if I notice that other people are emotionally upset by a topic?
So I wrote some practical advice below.
I think the author of the post seems pretty thoughtful and sophisticated, so maybe this is too basic or not what they want.
But it is hard to be informative as there is a lot going on in possible answer:
I think Example 4 seems tough, and I'll give one way I would approach this.
Example 4 - Caring about Animals:
I think it is important to avoid conflicts, confrontation or enforcing views about improving animal welfare with people in animal welfare.
There is a long history of conflict between approaches or viewpoints in animal welfare movements, which is wasteful.
I think animal suffering is so abhorrent that it makes many points of view reasonable. Alice's "rationality" viewpoint can effect change, and Bob's "emotional" viewpoint is understandable if you take animal sentience seriously.
Maybe use a preamble?
I think one way to begin any emotionally difficult presentation of a strong view is to use a preamble that genuinely accepts the opposing viewpoint before making your own point.
For Alice, she could say:
"I think that animals are sentient. They have souls. I know Bob knows this.
"I want to talk about [ content such as impact] because I think it can make a bigger impact for these animals, this is...[ begin content ]"
Some comments:
It's possible that giving a preamble or communicating is not practical. For example, you may not even get a chance to make a long comment.
If this is the case, or if both Alice and Bob are highly emotional, the conversation probably is not going to work and it's better not to do this.
If there's resentment from past actions or a sense of underhandedness by either party, this makes a preamble or any communication difficult. In these cases I find resolving the issues as a whole impractical, and it's not going to work.
Not everything works, it's OK. You can walk away, or there's other approaches you can take.
I think modesty goes a long way here. This is both in not enforcing your views onto others unless necessary, and also accepting views.
There's a lot of emotional labor and empathy involved. Your energy is a limited resource. You don't have to do this or other efforts if the other person isn't listening or simply doesn't get it.